Justice Department may eliminate affirmative action

Austin Jia, super-achiever who may have been rejected by schools based on race. Photo credit: Will Glaser/The New York Times

I’m taking a quick break from my break because of the historic possibility that the Justice Department under Jeff Sessions may be trying to eliminate affirmative action. I don’t remember any administration ever taking this stance. With the chaos of the Trump administration, no one really knows if this inquiry on affirmative action will pan out. But as I said before, I always felt that Trump was the best candidate on race, despite the fact that he’s incompetent in just about every other area. This may be his defining achievement.

Anyway, Asians are finally in the news:

Affirmative Action Battle Has a New Focus: Asian Americans

We got a pro-Asian opinion piece from CNN:

Liberals Can’t Handle the Asian Factor in Affirmative Action

We also got a pro-Asian editorial from the Wall Street Journal:

What is Harvard Hiding?

The comments coming from the Social Justice Warriors are rich. “I’m not your wedge!”(to promote equality) “I support diversity!”(of race and identity, not opinion or socio-economic class) “Don’t use me as an argument to fight racism against me!” (Well, they didn’t quite say that.)

I’ve long realized that we’re not going to convince the indoctrinated leftists to give up their religion. I don’t know if Trump/Sessions will win this fight. But I hope that they tear those admissions offices WIDE open. To hell with their secrecy and “holistic” excuses and racism based on stereotypes. I want the Justice Department to question all the decisions they make, to break open those files and force them to explain why all things being equal, an Asian person needs 140 more SAT points than a White person, 270 points more than a Hispanic person, and 450 points more than a Black person for equal consideration. I want them to explain the coincidence of how we Asians seem to be capped at 18% of the class at Harvard, despite the fact that quotas are illegal. Even if we lose, this exercise could and should be educational. Trump has failed in just about everything he has attempted so far, but if we build up support among the population, perhaps the momentum may be enough to carry this forward.

61 thoughts on “Justice Department may eliminate affirmative action

  1. I’m in contact with Austin Jia’s mom, she has been a leader in many events, including this Asian American complaint against Harvard. Young Austin is under enormous pressure now. People from everywhere, including Harvard professors, emailed him or sent him Facebook message to debate him. I’m very sympathize with him. He is so young and has to face professors, classmates and friends in his ultra liberal college environment. I’m not sure if he is prepared for this.

  2. Asians are stupid and prestige whores for wanting to give money to raciste elite white institutions when public schools like the UC system is much better and egalitarian than any of the old money racists ever try to hide behind their social engineering “diversity” banners.

    Nonetheless, make the data public since they take taxpayer money. Whether affirmative action actually helps Asians in the workforce is another issue altogether, given Trump’s ignoring of the Asian girls…

  3. I’m with you on this one, bigwowo. It would be great to have full transparency from Admission offices. One thing that I would very much like to see is how much weight is given to SAT scores within racial categories. Eg, how many Asian dudes beat out other Asian dudes with 150 more SAT points?

    It is interesting that the Asian SJWs insist so much on disaggregating data on Asian Americans but don’t complain one bit about the opacity of the “holistic” selection process.

  4. I also remember a “leak” somewhere these admissions social engineers also lump Asian Americans with FOB Asians. While there’s nothing inherently wrong with “balancing” the freshman classes based on availability of “talent” within different groups foreign vs domestic, I doubt the Ivy Schools are taking Malaysian hip-hop musicians over American born URM civil engineering students.

    For institutions that take public money, they’re going to have to release the data for sure. For all the regressive leftists cries for releasing the tax records and accountability, they sure hold Ivy Schools to lower standards and double standards.

  5. You can’t blame asians for wanting to go to Ivy League schools because they didn’t come all the way from Asia to go to public schools. They work hard to get the best of the best. America is the best country on Earth and Ivy League schools are the best schools in America. Problem is they spend all their time working, and not paying attention to politics.
    Asians just have such good values that other races take advantage of them. They need to learn how to be bad to fend off the racist left and right. I don’t think Trump can get anything done. Asians should band together, favor and help each other. Don’t expect other races to help you out. If asians want to get anything done, go and do it themselves.

  6. America is the best country on earth according to whom? White worshiping is the real disease of Sick Man of Asia syndrome.

    Giving money to racists is about the stupidest idea I heard of. UC System is #1 in the world because of the population of Asians and not because UC System is inherently better than any other. Asians built the academics in USofA.


    Pretty much every year the same for Intel, Westinghouse, etc.

  7. I just want to make the clarification that I don’t think Asians are inherently smarter or more gifted at math/STEM than any other demographic. Most of these kids are children of academics imported from Confucian cultures where studying and academics are seen as prestigious.

    Indeed, Asia’s brain drain is well known along with Eastern Europe. And it’s because the US immigration system has done its job that high tech workers want to immigrate to the US.

    These contests are true meritocracies, or lest the SJWs and the Fangs go screaming “toxic AM masogilinity” and “over-representation” and see how far that gets the US teams around the world.

  8. ChineseMom,

    Keep up the good work with the activism! We need these connections to keep fighting the good fight. Boys like Austin are like the Rosa Parks of our generation–they’re willing to stand up despite the anger and crybullying. Cheers.

    Everyone else,

    Let’s make the data public!

  9. Asian-American feminists and SJW’s will always defend their white liberal masters.

  10. Harvard and the UCs already faced lawsuits during the 80s alleging discrimination against Asians. Now that affirmative action is banned in public schools in California, the UCs have seen large increases in their percentage of Asians. Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League merely raised the Asian quota from 15% to 18% because the matter was settled out of court.

    SJWs act like the end of affirmative action will be the end of the world but the fact is that Canada’s top schools are filled with mostly Asians because they have no quotas and yet Canada is actually a more progressive country. The difference is that unlike Canadian liberals, American liberals have to pander to their large Black and Hispanic voter base, so they readily throw Asians under the bus to that end.

    I doubt Trump has the political savvy to effect any major change, given his general incompetence, but at least he can apply legal pressure that exposes corruption and illegality within private universities.

    @ aardvark

    The Ivy League vs. University of California comparison is short-sighted because it ignores the UC’s racist history of discrimination against Asians before the ban on affirmative action in the 90s. Just as the UCs were forced to clean up their act, the same can be done to the Ivy League. Things can change.

  11. How far back in history we do want to go? For sure the UC system was racist when the regressive LIEberals took over in the 60s and enacted affirmative discrimination for their numerical URM voter social engineering.

    HOWEVER, given what it’s worth with the current state of things, the UC system is much more preferable than the racist tainted history of the Ivy Schools like Harvard and Yale that actively profited from the Opium Wars in China and still doesn’t acknowledge any of it. Or Leland Stanford’s racist history of enslaving Chinese coolies and profiting off their labor.


    In my book, it’s the Asians who are stupid for wanting to give money to racists and their institutions.

  12. Aardvark, right now Ivy league is racist so yes it’s stupid to pour Asian money into it, but what about when affirmative action is removed and Ivy is no longer racist, like the UC system. Would it be wise then?

    You mentioned about prestige, you could be right that the Ivy degrees could be less effective for obtaining STEM jobs when the UC degrees can achieve the STEM jobs just as well in the United States. What about back in Asia, for those Asian students who go back to Asia to work. Since Asians worship Ivy degrees so much, these degrees must be worth more valuable in Asia to obtain jobs in STEM in addition to prestige?

    (U.S.) Top-5 Universities for STEM Job Placement, None from Ivy


    Armstrong State University
    Bates Technical College
    USC – University of Southern California
    Indiana University Purdue University Fort Wayne
    University of Massachusetts Amherst

  13. It’s no secret the Ivy racists love to pit FOB Asians against Asian Americans, because FOBs generally come from rich backgrounds and pay tuition in full.

    In Asia, they have even more rigorous undergraduate programs than in the US.

    STEM doesn’t only mean jobs, but also fundamental research. The rest of the world is catching up and surpassing the USofA research programs, especially in Trump’s regime of science illiteracy and denial.

  14. Asians in America are essentially coolies and mercenaries. Why do you need to attend an Ivy League? Of course, it signifies prestige, access to better jobs and better pay doled out by the White man, at the expense of someone else.

    Asians used to perform real tangible work for their White masters, but today, not so much.

    The entire Asian American narrative is rather unremarkable and boring.

  15. @ Chr

    The Ivy League is a gateway to America’s upper echelons of power. If more Asians gain access, we won’t be talking about Asians working for White masters but Whites working for Asians. It is possible.

  16. Successful Asians in America don’t empower their own. They abet the White Power Structure to ensure privileges are given to them only. Successful Asians are the quintessential mercenary minority in modern day America. They love to curry favor from Whites. Other than that, they are just coolies working for the Man.

    In all my years living in America, I’ve never been physically assaulted by a White or Black person, but I’ve been randomly attacked by a few Asian bros in 2 separate incidents. What’s scary is that I found out that one of them was also an employee of a big company in which I was employed. Aardvark is happy now.

  17. Chr, typical white racists always chest thumping boasting ridiculous nonsense

    Why do white people keep denying “white privilege”? What you speak of are the echelon of white privilege.

    The master/slavery empty talk is out of context, it only applies in situations where the workers are forced to work at the expense of freedom and get paid with low wages, slave wages.

    If Asians are happy to work for high wages, and willing to get rich, that’s not slave/master scenarios. That’s just common sense work hard, grind, to make a living. Something lazy arses like some lazy white entitlers wouldn’t understand.

    I’ve noticed a large percentage of white people after getting laid off from work, while being jobless, instead of being diligent accepting minimum wage jobs to contribute to societies, they opted to stand at street intersections begging for free handouts from Asians. I rarely see this kind of scenes at white areas, but at Asian business areas I see many white people standing at intersections begging for free handouts.

    Face reality Chr, white people always get mad that they have to resort to begging for money at street intersections, while Asians steal all their high paying jobs.

  18. You are going into another direction with your comments.

    It’s quite ironic that many Asian Americans are genuine supporters of the White Power Structure, which is deemed racist by other racial minorities, and they wished to emulate them. There are plenty of self-haters from the Asian community who side with the “White is Right” world and there is also a growing number of self haters siding with the other extreme, yet, they show very little support for their own.

    I view most Asians in the Western world as benign parasites with identity issues and not much else.

  19. You are going into another direction with your comments.

    I was talking about your notion of Asians working for their white masters.

    It’s quite ironic that many Asian Americans are genuine supporters of the White Power Structure, which is deemed racist by other racial minorities, and they wished to emulate them. There are plenty of self-haters from the Asian community who side with the “White is Right” world and there is also a growing number of self haters siding with the other extreme, yet, they show very little support for their own.

    I view most Asians in the Western world as benign parasites with identity issues and not much else.

    True, but given the strict police state controllers of this country, there isn’t much choices for Asians to venture, other than follow the rules, work hard for a living and be stand up citizens.

    Making noises and going full throttle against the White Power Structure like the other groups the BLM, the SJW, and the Islamic terrorists don’t really work in this country, it’s actually making them look like scumbags at ground zero.

    Personally, I don’t like the self haters and “White is Right” Asians like Tila Tequila. I do like the hard working, law abiding blue collar Asians.

    What brilliant ideas you think Asians should be doing instead?

  20. Can someone please explain to me why Jenn and her fellow SJWs are still pushing this nonsense about how Asian Americans are pro-affirmative action for College admissions? Jenn participated in this AA debate where the article states that almost every other race are AGAINST using race as a criteria during admission selection.
    In 2015, affirmative action support among African-Americans was 77%, Latinos was 61%, and white Americans was 53%. But in response to a 2016 Gallup Poll question asking if “race or ethnicity should be taken into account in college admissions decisions in order to promote diversity,” only 44% of blacks agreed, with 29% of Hispanics and 22% of whites following suit.


  21. Chr is a Haole racist troll. Do not engage if you don’t want to deal with low life scum.

    While I agree Asians can treat other Asians like crap and there is psycho amounts of materialism with Asians, I never seen Chr’s white male fragile ego preemptive strike fantasy rationalization of Asians are at fault for taking white people jobs and school seats.

    Quite the opposite from what I seen: Asians bend over backwards to appease whites, both in Asian and in USofA. The SJWs definitely try to appease their white LIEberal masters. Meanwhile, the brainwashed sellouts also marry alt-right wingnuts.


    The only primary Asian sellouts who support white patriarchy are AFs married to the racist right nutjobs like Elaine Chao at the very top of power. Something that Jenn Fang, Erin Chew, LLAG, and other SJWs never call out, but only resort to “toxic AM misogilinity” fake news.

  22. aardy is a victim pimp — those that sell the propaganda that Asians are oppressed by the White Racist State. Similar to the guys who complain about AMs being emasculated in Hollywood for their lack of luck with dating. Similar to Asian immigrants from Asian shitholes who complain that America is racist.

    Let’s face it, most Asians are superficial and most superficial Asians want to be like Whites, but without the clout.

  23. Chr can’t get a rise out of sensible people like me because what he says about “some” Asians is sadly all too real with the materialism and superficiality. Which is why the Asian SJWs only care about superficial “diversity” of skin color but are absolutists on their social agendas and totalitarian about it.

  24. Why do idiots get outraged sounding like they know something, when they don’t. I

    If trying to succeed in life is superficial to be whites, then that’s pretty much applies to everyone including Blacks, Brown, Red, Middle Easterners as they all try to succeed in life, and they all try to be whites. When you’re most successful, you are equivalent to the elitist whites in terms of wealth and power. Not many Non-whites can achieve success beyond the top tier whites. So by your whacked logic, Whites are at the top of the food chain, which by your definition success = whites.

    In this blog, Kiwi is the true Asian hero, Byron is also an Asian hero.

    All the other guys are fakes, extreme moderates. These guys would sell half of Asians down the river, and throw the other half under the bus.

    These fakes don’t want diversity, they appear to want tribal identity politics for Asians, yet they don’t want the followings.

    1) – They don’t want Asians in Ivy League, keep Affirmative Action intact.

    2) – They don’t want Asians in Hollywood, but let Hollywood conquers Asia.

    3) – They don’t give a damn if Asians are killed by the police.

    4) – However, they do give a damn when Asians get murdered by thugs and racists.

    What these fakes don’t realize is that what drives the Racist State is what randomly kills off Asians that they often cry about when they read in the fake news. You fakes sellout Asians down the river when you don’t care about social justice that can advertently help Asians be prepared for the world they are naive about.

    How can you whine about #4 so often when you acknowledge there’s no such thing as racism in the great good ol USofA. Maybe Asians are so stupid or so bad luck that they’re randomly get killed off by muggers, bullies, or whoever the crooks are.

  25. 2 camps of extreme Asian Americans are found.

    Those who play victim hood and get into tribal politics, with quite a number of them even siding with White extremists who share a common feeling of victim status. Asians and Whites are both civilized races among a sea of uncivilized Non Whites, who are given benefits undeservedly at their expense.

    You have the other group that outwardly panders to the mainstream White Power Structure or the establishment, who comes across as liberal, universal, open minded, except when it comes to their own people because Asian Americans have an inferiority complex and identity issues. It’s all about a getting a power trip, when you are seen as better than your inferiors of the same race.

    Then there is the 3rd group of Asians who seem to be the majority. These are your obedient, almost naive types, that follow rules, those with a coolie status attached to them. This group is common among the less acculturated FOB types who perceive America as a place to make money, and think the world is a good place if you play by the rules, work hard and don’t cause any trouble. They also think everybody else is usually good, if you don’t mess with them, when in fact America is a country that encourages psychopaths to move and shape society.

  26. Nope, the Anti-police brutality Asian SJW crowd is anti-white extremists, since many of those cops are whites and were former KKK or White Nationalist members. During the Obama’s administration, they couldn’t hold the highest power oval office in the White House, so the next best thing was they became cops to hold power in the police force. That was when we saw a spike in police violence during Obama’s tenure.

    The Asian SJW camp is more of baby extreme due to nonviolent, the lower tier basic extreme. The highest of extreme is “Violence” and that’s been rampaged more by the far-right White Extremists, running cars through counter-protesters, killing people that don’t look Neo Whites, attacked Muslims, attacked Indians, attacked Blacks, attacked liberal white women, etc. Asian extremists do not do this, so Asian SJW extremists are at the tamer tier, more verbal non-violent.

    You forgot the 4th Asian group, the extreme Moderates, these guys do nothing but are the biggest censorers. They are the Sugar Coaters, afraid to touch on sensitive topics or real topics that affect Asians. Sugar coat and stay on irrelevant topics. They don’t allow other Asians to talk about anything that affects them, as that would be seen as victimhood. This 4th group is the biggest PC censorers to applease their White Masters because their white masters don’t want to hear Asians complain either.

  27. No, the worse are the Asian pimps who just push the agenda that their own are oppressed in America, by constantly reinforcing the unfair Ivy League admissions, the Vincent Chin meme, and the Chinese Exclusion Act, as good examples.

    Then comes the Asian liberal SJWs who hate their own, followed by the passive aggressive Asian tribals, where some of them also side with the White Supremacists.

    But the real repugnant kind of Asians are the many. Those who that have this deliberate or naive ignorance that somehow America is a good place if I keep my mouth shut and work for the man, hopefully for a high wage in return.

  28. I know you’re troll baiting for a rise, but I’ll play your game anyway.

    What wacked nonsense are you going to say next? That Non-Violence is worse than Violence?

    You’re full of BS and you know it, keep on wishing and some fools might believe your opinions as facts.

    You need to base your opinions on something, such as on your country’s own LAWs, you do believe in your own country’s laws right?

    Protesting and Verbal whining that Asians do may seem extreme, but are NOT unlawful.

    Violence, attacking people, killing people, hate crimes, that your white people do are extreme, unlawful, and illegal.

    That’s why your white people got charged and arrested, and my people did not.

    I’ll keep it that simple, maybe it’ll get through your thick head.

  29. Asian SJWs are the censors like the Fangs and Erin Chew and yomyomf, also LLAG. They emulate their white SJW leadership to censor and shutdown conversations.

    Exact same tactics as their alt-right wingnuts married to white nationalists like Elaine Chao.

    Bottom line is Asians don’t have self-determination and autonomy in USofA and the racist social hierarchy and media brainwashes people to rigged rigid socially acceptable categories stemming form the USofA racist history and culture.

  30. There are various degrees and various levels of censorships. The basic level is using the buzzword “SJW” as an insult to shut down the complainer/whiner, this is the clasic case. There’s a lot of this in the comment sections of Youtube and on Twitter. For instance.

    Commenter1: Gosh, the youtuber’s mother is so stereotypical, she wants her Asian son to be a doctor rather than keeping his successful high paying job as a Youtuber.

    Extreme Moderate: @Commenter1 Shut the f’ up biatch, you are such a SJW

    Commenter1: 🙁

    While it’s true that the whiner deservedly being called an extreme SJW, but the other guy deservedly gets the label “Extreme Moderate” as he censors and shuts down the whiner.

  31. aardy is just one of those Militant Asians that only lurk behind a computer screen. The types that dislike both Blacks and Whites. But he’s right.

    Asians need to vouch for their own to return back to their homelands because they cannot fully take advantage of what the American political system has to offer, which has duped them time after time, at their expense to benefit the greater White majority and also the greater Black minority.

  32. I’m more than happy to label “SJW” when the SJWs’ and Fangs’ cronies stop labeling “toxic AM misoglinity” to everybody who doesn’t agree with them. And their censorship of moderate dissenting opinions…

    Hypocrisy is a two way street.

  33. I probably do agree with you on the flamewars in theory.

    You were talking to X, I’m not X

    But I Ditto this statement

    But if someone keeps arguing that 2:2=5 or that the principle of scarcity only applies to Whitey and Chang, I don’t blame the logicians who point out the ridiculousness of the statement. I blame the people making the illogical statement.

    I’ve seen this a lot with the extreme moderates, they always correct other people and attacked the wrong statements other people make. But when other people point out that the extreme mods are being politically correct (PC), the extreme mods being thick headed that they are keep on denying it. Dudes, accept who you are, y’all are extreme moderates for being politically correct all the time.

  34. Sorry if people were trying to leave comments here. I just figured out that some strange box was checked that said to close comments. My bad.


    Moderates in general don’t like, support, or encourage political correctness. Moderates usually just say it as it is. That’s why we don’t ban people for their opinions here.

  35. Moderates in general don’t like, support, or encourage political correctness.

    PC is not just about banning or censoring, it’s also about correcting people incessantly.

    The logicians need to point out and correct 2 + 2 ≠ 5, that’s PC.

    The logicians need to point out to correct that using the terms “extreme moderates” is wrong, that’s PC.
    Free speech says people can call Moderates anything they want.
    There are at least 10 labels for the Left and far Left, but the Left does not care to point out the ridiculousness of some of those labels are. For instance, at another forum the logicians called the Left as Demons and Rats. Demons for the 1st part of Democrats “Democ”, and Rats for the last part of DemocRATs. lol Really? So Liberals are not humans anymore? lol
    Yet, we don’t see anybody cares to point out how wrong those labels are because it’s free speech.
    You guys on the other hand, don’t even let 1 label sneaks in. People can call the Moderates any labels they want, the fact that you guys don’t allow them to call Moderates as Extreme Moderates, that in itself is PC.

    Chloe Bennet is half Asian, she can speak for Asian women and Asian men if she wanted to, there is no law that says she can’t. But the extreme moderates (the Asian men logicians) attacked her that she’s not Asian enough to speak for Asians. Attacked her that she only dated white men, therefore cannot speak for Asian men. That is extreme moderating and extreme PC correctness, free speech laws don’t forbidden being part Asian cannot speak for Asians. That’s extreme PC correctness getting out of hands.

  36. Chloe Bennet’s new beau Logan Pauls is a racist against AMs:


    This fits with the pattern of the SJW AFs failing to call out the racism and sexism within their own ranks, so long as it’s (1/2)AFs saying and doing whatever they want as representative of Asians “collectively” that fits their own social engineering agendas.

    To their credit, the Fangs did call out Elaine Chao as part of the polar opposite racist GOP establishment. However, they extend that “logic” to their constant charges of “Asian anti-Black racism” as part of that wedge by racist organizations to deflect blame away from white cops unto Asians. Not to mention the recent spate of subway shovings yet again by SOME mentally ill Black people in NYC.

  37. Haha…you better not blame an Asian woman for the racist acts of her White boyfriend, or you’ll get the Asian American feminists angry. As I said on my current post on the front page, we’re losing, and it’s time to change the focus. Let the Asian American feminists rope-a-dope themselves.


    By the way, I just googled, and it looks like Eurasian Writer got deleted from YouTube? That’s pretty asinine. Colin Flaherty’s second channel got the same. Meanwhile, you don’t see this happening to BLM channels. You don’t see it happening to channels calling for more racism against Asians in college admissions. We’re living in a crazy world right now.

  38. I know, I’m just venting, but I know that if this blog were on YouTube, I would’ve been deleted years ago. Meanwhile all the SJW blogs would be piling on subscribers and making tons of money despite the fact that they are the ones fomenting anger and hatred.

  39. They’re not dating and not in a relationship:

    “I’m very transparent with you guys. Chloe and I are friends, for sure. In my opinion, friends sometimes make-out, touch butts.” said Logan Paul

    “I kiss all of my friends,” said Bennet, 25, whose acting credits include Nashville and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.


    EW resurrected for the 3rd time: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ2ELgRXSxBd5-qnDTAtm3g/videos

    Bigwowo, becareful who you align with. I doubt EW is a moderate with the amount of bitching, whining, and crybullying that he does. Didn’t Aarvark recently suspected EW of not being Eurasian? EW’s bitchings remind me of the far left SJWs.

    The AF’s in WMAF relationships that EW often complains about would never say something like this.

    “P.S. While I’m at it, Asian men are super sexy. So with all due respect fuck you Steve Harvey. — Chloe Bennet”


    While Bennet did not call out Logan Paul, I give her credit for calling out Steve Harvey.

    Now, I’m gonna address the part where Bennet was attacked by Asian extreme militants, and I noticed this part came up “95% of AF celebrities married to white men”. While this is true, you’ve got to blame the game here and not the players. If racist hollywood awards primal roles to those who ride directors/producers/actors white d!cks, then what choices do these women have? I heard that only 4 AF celebs ride the Asian penis, that’s Ali Wong, Wen Ming Na, Grace Park, and Lisa Ling. The rest of them including Chloe Bennet had a hard time getting roles unless they bagged a white guy celeb. Game, not players.

    As for why she didn’t date Asian men, she said “Asian men are super sexy.” I’m pretty sure Asian guys rarely ask out celebrity women, much less AF celebrities. And Chloe is not going to openly admit that she’s never been asked out by Asian guys before, as that would make her look undesirable and desperate, but that could be close to the truth. Asian men rarely ask out celeb women, including AF celeb women.

  40. From what you linked, it sounds like it’s the opposite of how you interpreted it. They are in a relationship. Good for them. Although if I were a young, single Asian woman who was part of the Celebrity Club, I think I’d go for Richard Spencer before Logan Paul. He’s older, more mature, and seems to be making a deeper historical mark than Logan.

    But let me just clarify my position in case it’s not clear.

    Let’s say Logan Paul said what he said on YouTube. Let’s also say that I was on YouTube, along with some SJW Asian American leftists and EW.

    I would probably be banned because I point out SJW hypocrisy and BLM lies. EW would be banned because he calls out Asian female racism. Meanwhile Logan Paul can say whatever he wants as long as it doesn’t offend any protected minorities, and SJW Asians would be free from all responsibility too.

    Now if I were in charge of YouTube, would I ban Logan Paul or SJW’s? No, of course not. But I sure as hell wouldn’t ban EW either, even though I was not a subscriber or regular. I most certainly don’t think that what I write here is worth banning. There seems to be a real double standard here.

    I’m pretty sure Asian guys rarely ask out celebrity women, much less AF celebrities.

    You forget that I know famous people. While I don’t know Chloe Bennett (and haven’t even ever seen any of her movies and shows), I happen to know that that’s simply not the case for most AF celebrities.

    Now what you say about game not players is partly true. But it really doesn’t matter, does it? At the end of the day, we’re all responsible for our own choices.

  41. Oh I’m not doubting you about the double standard that facebook, youtube, or any other platforms uphold about Asian men. That was never my argument.

    Logan Paul is white, facebook and youtube will treat him the same way hollywood treats good looking WMs like him, with privilege.
    EW is anti-WM, that’s why he got treated like a bottom barrel.

    You think they’re in a relationship is your opinion, not a fact. They stated that they’re just friends, now if they lied and hide their relationships private, then the relationship is still not proven as a fact yet. None of us know for sure, and neither is the media.

    I checked Logan’s personal Vlog channel, and Chloe is NOT in it. If he has a girlfriend, pretty sure she would be in his personal vlog channel, but she’s not. I checked Chloe’s Instagram as well, and she has many pictures with dudes in it, there’s a black dude, but NO Logan.

    Logan’s brother Jake Paul has a girlfriend, and she’s in Jake’s personal vlogs channel, so if Logan has a GF why is she not in his personal vlog channel?

    They’re being in a relationship is not proven, so it’s not a fact.

    You personally know famous people, I don’t know what’s that got to do with anything. You live in Oregon, right? I live in Los Angeles, so I’m pretty sure I know more famous people including famous AFs than you. And I’m telling you, Asian men rarely ask out celeb women.

    Heck, up until recent years, Asian guys rarely asked out Non-Asian women, period. Go ask Non-Asian women, and most of them will tell you that they have never or rarely been asked out by Asian guys.

    Yes, they’re responsible for their own choices, but they’re also responsible for their own Hollyweed careers. They may have chosen the wrong careers, but to make it work they had to do whatever takes to get roles.

  42. Right. So I used to live in LA, so I guess that means I know all the famous Asian people in both Oregon and LA while you only know LA? I also lived in New York, so that means that I know even MORE famous people than you do. That makes about as much sense as…well, what you originally said.

    But anyway, yes, they do get asked out by Asian men. Let’s not be silly here. If you really know famous people, you know the circles they hang in.

    “They stated that they’re just friends…”

    No, that’s not what they said. Give it a re-listen.

    They may have chosen the wrong careers, but to make it work they had to do whatever takes to get roles.

    Okay, this is just ridiculous now, Nighttown. That’s not what I said, and that’s not what you should be thinking. They chose the right careers if that’s what they want to do with their lives.

  43. that’s not what you should be thinking.

    Telling others what they should be thinking is PC. I’m not thinking it, I’m just stating a fact. That’s the fact of life in Hollyweed. If you think they can marry Asian guys and can climb the ladder at the same time, you must be not acknowledging that Hollyweed is fair game to AM’s, and AM’s have the same status as WM’s in Hollyweed, nice fantasy you have.

    Ali Wong, Wen Ming Na, Grace Park, and Lisa Ling

    Let’s look at these 4

    Wen Ming Na once or twice complained about typecasting and whitewashness, Grace Park just quit Hawaii 5-0 with Daniel Dae Kim over pay disputes. Lisa Ling is in the business of news anchor, so it’s different, less racism in this area than in acting.

    Ali Wong, I don’t know much about.

    So pretty much 2 of the 3 actresses had the same problems as Chloe.

    They chose the right careers if that’s what they want to do with their lives.

    This is strawman. I already said that they want to be responsible for their own careers. To them, careers are just as important as marriage, and career comes first.

    No, that’s not what they said. Give it a re-listen.

    1) I already re-listen, maybe you should re-quote exactly what they said that you think I missed.

    2) You should look up all the other medias that mentioned, such as Logan’s personal vlog channel, and Chloe’s Instagram.

  44. No, you’re not getting off that easily, dude! Quote me where they said, “We’re JUST friends.” It wasn’t said. For obvious reasons. I’ve never been to their vlog channels or instagrams, and I don’t know why you’re asking me to go there. It has nothing to do with what we’re discussing.

    You’re playing the Reappropriate game by quoting stuff (like Ming Na’s statements about racism or Grace Park leaving 5-0) and trying to link them to unrelated issues. I’d prefer not to play that game. Keep. It. Relevant. Please.

    To them, careers are just as important as marriage, and career comes first.

    WHOA. That’s quite a condemnation if you don’t know them personally.

    I’m not sure what’s more frustrating. You denying reality and claiming knowledge you’re not privy to, or me getting dragged into a discussion about two actors whose work I’ve never even seen!

    I’ll try to post something in the next couple of days so we can get off this topic.

  45. “I’m very transparent with you guys. Chloe and I are friends, for sure. In my opinion, friends sometimes make-out, touch butts.” said Logan Paul

    “I kiss all of my friends,” said Bennet, 25, whose acting credits include Nashville and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

    You missed this part?

    Logan said “Chloe and I are friends”

    “I kiss all of my friends,” said Bennet

    She basically kissed him like she kissed all her friends, which means Logan is like all of her friends.

    WHOA. That’s quite a condemnation if you don’t know them personally.

    Let me know if you have something better to base their lives off of. Otherwise, your guessing game and my guessing game can go about as far as it gets.

  46. I think whether Chloe Bennet and Logan Paul are actually dating is immaterial. Chloe Bennet condemned Steve Harvey’s anti-Asian male racism but she did not condemn Logan Paul’s anti-Asian male racism. Chloe Bennet kisses and hugs Logan Paul but she does not kiss or hug Steve Harvey. Chloe Bennet considers Logan Paul her friend but she does not consider Steve Harvey her friend. Personally, that alone tells me all I need to know about her.

  47. FWBs or just kissing herpes outbreaks in Haoleweird as usual? Who cares outside of TMZ? But the fact Chloe Bennet/Wang lets the racism go by in unabashed silence also speaks volumes about her motivations.

    The more important point here is once again: just not AF celebrity club members not by their twitter hashtagtivism, but by their actions and lack of condemnation of racist “friends.” And the fact Chloe Bennet/Wang has a distinct lack of AM “friends” who she’s not “kissing.”

  48. WHOA. That’s quite a condemnation if you don’t know them personally.

    This goes both ways.

    The logicians attacked and accused her without knowing her personally.

    Here are what we don’t know about Chloe & Logan:

    1) We don’t know if they’re dating, it’s not confirmed, not official. If they’re dating, they are hiding it very well to keep it


    2) We don’t know if she didn’t condemn Logan, we don’t know that for sure because maybe she did privately. Maybe she did call him out

    about his Anti-AM tirade, but she kept it private without embarrassing him in public. Not everything is going to display in the fake

    news for the world to see.

    Here are what we DO know about Chloe & Logan:

    1) They are confirmed good friends, so even as good friends I do agree with the logicians that she should call him out and condemn his


    2) We do know that Logan is a different man in 2017 than he was in 2016 when he made his last Anti-Asian tirade which was “Little

    Asians” on his twitter.

    Logan at minute 0:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abSyBLWT3MM

    Here at the 2017 Billboard Music Awards, at minute 0:58 in the video above we can see Logan kneeled down and bowed down to BTS (a Korean

    K-Pop group) while presenting the trophy.
    So if Logan was Anti-AM and looked down on Asian men, why did he do this? He practically lowered himself like inferiors and treated BTS

    like Kings. He even told BTS beforehand that he would bow down to them prior to the trophy presentation. Why did he put himself in an

    inferior position like that, if he was racist and looked down on Asian men?

    So did Chloe have a positive influence on Logan, and told him not to hate Asian men anymore to get that Billboard result? Was this call

    out from Chloe to Logan went down in private that the media and the rest of the militant AM logicians did not know about?

    Did Chloe help Logan redeem himself, a complete 180 degrees turnaround?

    Remember, Shaquille O’Neal once called Yao Ming “Ching Chong”, but through the years Shaq had redeemed himself for the better. Shaq

    turned 180 degrees around and became Pro-Asians, he was even featured on “Fresh Off the Boat” for 2 episodes.

  49. Redemption means public retraction and condemnation and apology of previous tweets and comments. Currently, your disingenuous “what ifs” only apply to giving a publicly admitted racist the benefit of the doubt and tell everybody else to treat their situation with a grain of salt.

    You’re a hypocrite saying to not judge nor question their private behaviors when it’s racist, but to judge and “question” their private behaviors when it’s about the benefit of the doubt and giving positive spin to their sordid lives. That’s the real double standard here.

    When there’s no direct evidence of direct collusion nor is there direct evidence of affirmative discrimination, the detractors trying to deflect the issue say you can’t judge anybody about anything. Whereas sensible people would want to call out for transparency and public accountability and INVESTIGATION especially when they themselves have made the issues public to begin with. Period!!!

  50. Logan at minute 0:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abSyBLWT3MM

    Nice spin. How’s that “what ifs”, when I gave a direct video evidence above.

    He bowed down to BTS like bowing down to Kings in front of a billion people watching. Why did he lower himself in an inferior position like that when he was racist and looked down on Asian men? The militant logicians keep dodging that question to avoid direct evidence.

    Also, in 2017 Logan became good friends with Bryan Le (aka Ricegum, a Viet dude). Ricegum said some viscious personal roasts about Jake Paul (Logan’s brother) in a rap video called “Its EveryNight Sis”, but the Logan brothers never said anything mean or viscious about Ricegum, not even the small d!ck jokes. In 2017, Logan totally stopped saying the “small d!ck” Asian jokes, not even to Ricegum when they were roasting each other.

    I do agree that Logan should apologize publically, but he didn’t do things our way does not mean he didn’t redeem himself. He did redeem himself, just in different ways, he showed it in public through his videos that he became more Pro Asian-men, befriended with an Asian dude Ricegum, etc.

    I don’t know what he’ll do next, but he did show some direct evidence of positive improvements. Except the public apology that we’re looking for.

  51. There’s a difference between “contrite” and “kitsch” and it behooves you to know the difference. I’m not using SAT words just for the sake of using $5 words here…

    Indeed, Asians have been subjected to kitschy cultural misappropriations like bowing and namaste hand gestures as part of microaggressions for decades now. And it’s nowhere near sign of respect, especially when there are no other context here.

    A grainy low res video that doesn’t show Logan Paul’s facial expressions doesn’t mean anything, especially in the context of not even a boilerplate standard corporate non-apology apology hasn’t even been put out by the PR team. As Haolewood always love to say: it’s open for interpretation since no public comments has been made and you can’t spin it in a way that’s favorable to him regardless of what your insinuations as to their private thoughts.

    The only thing about your spin doctoring is once again: disingenuous!

  52. Even if we give Chloe Bennet and Logan Paul the benefit of the doubt and assume they really are pro-Asian, then they are still doing Asians a disservice because they are communicating to their fans that anti-Asian racism is acceptable.

    While it’s a good thing that Logan Paul has made friends with Asians, that doesn’t say a lot. A White man told me once how his grandmother never met a Black person she disliked, even making several good Black friends, yet she was a hardcore anti-Black racist till the day she died. Her reasoning was that the Blacks she knew were “not like those other Blacks” she hated. If a famous White man is making friends with famous Asian celebrities like K-pop stars, I don’t think it’s very difficult for him to see those Asian men as the exception.

  53. Looks like someone is being disingenuous crying about Chloe not kissing her AM friends and now crying about cultural misappropriations when his political stance is against identity politics, using any tactics to drive his social engineering.

    Logan was not being fake, disrepecting, or mocking Asian bowing.

    Logan was being genuine. I already mentioned this, but the proof was actually backstage, prior to the trophy presentation.


    Even if we give Chloe Bennet and Logan Paul the benefit of the doubt and assume they really are pro-Asian, then they are still doing Asians a disservice because they are communicating to their fans that anti-Asian racism is acceptable.

    How? Can you provide some proofs from his videos that he’s teaching his fans Anti-Asians?

    While it’s a good thing that Logan Paul has made friends with Asians, that doesn’t say a lot. A White man told me once how his grandmother never met a Black person she disliked, even making several good Black friends, yet she was a hardcore anti-Black racist till the day she died. Her reasoning was that the Blacks she knew were “not like those other Blacks” she hated. If a famous White man is making friends with famous Asian celebrities like K-pop stars, I don’t think it’s very difficult for him to see those Asian men as the exception.

    This is a different context.

    Logan’s context was about small penis and Asians are little. Ricegum and BTS don’t suddenly have large penises, so based on Logan’s reference, he should still disrespect and make fun of Ricegum and BTS small penises. But instead, he respected BTS and became friends with RiceGum.

    Logan has 10 million subscribers, Jake has 10 million subscribers, he’s not going to be friends with Asians that are in lower status.
    Even Ricegum doesn’t make friends with people that have less than 100,000 subscribers. That’s how they roll.

  54. @ NightTown – Yeah, but you can be friends with someone and still be prejudiced against them at the same time. For example, you could think that a Black guy is funny and entertaining at parties, He’s good for laughs, so you are friendly with hm. At the same time you might believe a lot of demeaning stereotypes about him. But hey, what do you care if he’s oversexed, undereducated, cognitively deficient, morally vulgar and politically naïve? His kind is still good for parties, you’re not going to invite him to the opera!

    It’s quite possible to be friends and still be prejudiced. One thing does not rule out the other. In this case Logan could befriend Ricegum and BTS and still assume that they both must have “small Asian penises.”

  55. Kiwi:

    Chloe Bennet kisses and hugs Logan Paul but she does not kiss or hug Steve Harvey.

    I was going to get angry at Nighttown for wasting our time for the five hundredth time in a row, but this line made it all worth it. Thanks.

  56. In this case Logan could befriend Ricegum and BTS and still assume that they both must have “small Asian penises.”

    Before in 2012 he was saying out loud on his twitter, now he’s only assuming. Anybody can assume just about anything about other people, if you just base on assumption, thought process, without saying it out loud.

    King, I already said that Logan still needs to publically apologize. All I’ve said was that he’s shown some improvements in 2017, whereas from 2012 to 2016 he was a complete racist. Some redemption by being respectful to BTS and befriends with Ricegum were some signs of that redemption. I never said he’s completely cured. I never said I forgave him completely.

    I’m not an extremist, maybe that’s why I look for the middle ground with some redemptions, not necessarily cured all the way.

    The point is, I’m not defending Logan. I’m defending Chloe Bennet, she saw what I saw in Logan was that there’s some hope in him with his self-improvements and some of his attempts at making amends with Asian men.

    The process is not complete yet. When someone made mistakes and is now reaching out to make amends, to make that 180 degrees turn, we should give him a chance at redemption. Similar to what happened to Shaq when he said “Ching Chong”, he redeemed himself. Of course, you guys want that apology, but me and probably Chloe as well seeing that he has the potential to the right direction.

    Here’s a question, Jason Whitlock said the same thing in 2012 that Asian men have small penises. Did Jason Whitlock ever reach out to any Asian guy and befriended with him? Jason is someone that does not show any signs of Pro-AsianMen.

    Bigwowo. I already addressed that. We don’t know her personally, and don’t know her personal dealings with Logan. With Harvey, it was strictly public. With Logan, do we really know that she didn’t call out Logan for his racist past? Do we really know that, without knowing her personally?

    All we can do is ASSUME that she did not call out Logan, publically or privately, but it’s still an assumption. Not a fact.

  57. NightTown’s hypocrisy: don’t judge others’ personal lifes, but immediately goes on tirade against my supposed/alleged identity politics.

    At least my identity politics is nowhere near the DISINGENUOUS amount of spin doctoring NightTown wherever he is pulling it out of.

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