The End of the GOP?

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Sorry for the lack of updates recently. I’ve been busy with the new dog.

Anyway, I saw an interesting article on something that would have been unfathomable just four years ago: Donald Trump and the G.O.P.: The Party of Lincoln, Reagan and, Perhaps, Extinction. The article provides an interesting history on how the last major political party in the U.S., the Whigs, imploded. It makes the argument that after 162 years of the Republican party, it’s possible that the Republican party will implode after this election.

I know lots of people have called for a system where there’s more than two parties, but I don’t know if our system is equipped for that. The way the Congress and Senate caucus, for example, would seem to make a three or four party system impossible (as it stands, even “independent” congresspeople choose to caucus with either the Democrats or the Republicans). Three parties would be nice, but unless congresspeople were intent on splitting up their own parties, I don’t see the rules changing on this.

But the fall of the Republican party and the rise of a new party would be GREAT. I would love to see a new party stand for fiscal responsibility, better stewardship of the environment, the elimination of race-based preferences, and just plain common-sense thinking. As it stands right now, lots of Trump supporters are supporting him not because he’s a good person or a successful leader, but because they feel the Democrats would be terrible on many issues, including race relations. Sen. Tim Scott, for example, is voting Trump, even though he’s called some of Trump’s statements and actions “disgusting.” Andrew Sabin is an environmentalist who is voting for Trump. Oshay Duke Jackson is voting for Trump. People may find Trump disgusting and inept, but for many, the Democratic Party under Hillary Clinton is worse, especially when it comes to racial relations. Personally, I despise some of the values that have hijacked the Democratic party.

I will vote for Clinton in this election. Trump is a dangerous demogogue who must never hold office. But at the same time, it seems more and more apparent that change will not come from the parties we currently have. The end of the GOP would be a good thing, and hopefully it would make room for something new and better than both of the current parties we have. I would love to see something more inclusive and common-sense. I don’t think that we’ll ever get a party that

31 thoughts on “The End of the GOP?

  1. Vote 3rd party, just not for the nincompoop Gary Johnson.

    Jill Stein for president, even though their policies are idiotic. lol

  2. I seriously doubt it will be the end of the GOP, however it will be a point of change for the party. The US is getting more diverse, and that will end up getting incorporated into the party. If the Democrats want to rest on the idea that they are the party of diversity, then they will eventually abuse their power and create an opening.

    Trump will be great for the GOP. In the short run he hurts the party, but in the long run he helps. Trump was never really a part of the party. The party doesn’t have to defend Bush anymore. The next generation can break from the leadership. It gives a lot of freedom for conservatives to redefine themselves. A lot of ideas from Democrats even if they seem to carry the day right now, are starting to wane. While Obama might be perceived as inspiring, Clinton seems to be a sign of cynicism. Also there seems to be a lot of anti-elitism right now. It is both on the left and the right. Those will contain some of the political questions will be wrestled with in the near term.

    One of the problems with talking about the alt-right, is that it neglects the diversity of the right. One way to break the right down is three ways the pro-free market Enterprisers, the Social Conservatives, and the Pro-government Conservatives. A lot of the intellectual power is with the Enterprisers and Social Conservatives, but they got discredited. That allowed Trump to bubble up with the pro-government faction.

  3. The GOP to incorporate people of color (not minorities) into their party like Dinesh D’Souza and Piyush “Bobby” Jindal? Whereby Jindal said that there is no racism, it’s only people of color refuse to “act white” type of assimilation?

  4. Trump ain’t that bad actually. I think he is saying whatever just to win the election. He isn’t a democrat or republican. He’s a businessman. I think the guy is a genius for what he has accomplished.
    Trump couldn’t have run as a democrat because of Hillary. Plus, most republicans are idiots, easily manipulated , thus making them a prefect target for Trump. He’s been tapping to those idiots from the beginning , building a solid base, won the primary.
    I don’t think Trump could be successful at all if he really meant everything he’s said. Either that or Trump is just an exceptional example of white male privileges.
    Hillary is just a terrible liar. I don’t trust her AT ALL. That’s my only beef with Hillary. I know politicians are all liars ( maybe except for Bernie), but Hillary brought it up to a whole new level.
    Give Trump a chance. We can always vote him out in 4 years if we don’t like him as the president, but we ain’t going to have a true outsider having a better shot than Trump to be the president any time soon.
    Also, if you hate the status quo and you think the current system is rigged, are frustrated by the corruption and all the BS in politics. Vote for Trump cuz no one is going to blow it up harder than Trump.

  5. Vote for Trump cuz no one is going to blow it up harder than Trump.

    QFT. WIth his tiny hands on the big red buttons, there won’t be a world around in 4 years, let alone a country left. Vote for the Trump for nukular winter for your children.

  6. Trump is hated by both the GOP establishment and the Democratic Party, he will be checked and balanced and won’t get much support from anybody if elected, how dangerous he could be? Only the other hand, those wikileak email tell us how corrupted and dangerous Clinton is. Here is one more piece to prove how corrupted these establishments are: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3852710/Clinton-campaign-contractor-caught-voter-fraud-video-sting-felon-visited-White-House-342-times-including-meeting-OVAL-OFFICE-Obama-s-spokesman-won-t-defend-him.html

    The only hope for this country to have a third party is to elect somebody like Sanders or Trump, they will destroy the two party from within.

    I persuaded my daughter to vote for Jill Stein a couple of days ago. We are in a blue state, voting for Clinton won’t make a difference, there is no point to vote for somebody she doesn’t like.

    This video (http://nypost.com/2016/10/18/trump-rally-disrupter-was-once-on-clinton-campaigns-payroll/) confirmed my suspicion back in March about the violence in Trump’s rally (http://www.bigwowo.com/2016/03/is-trump-planting-black-people-at-his-rallies/#comment-322251).

    The media has been unfair not only to Trump but also to Sanders. They are the tools for the establishments. Here is the proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rJiPIqGhg, start from 5:00. This election is rigged, establishment broke every rules.

  7. Clinton is also racist against Chinese. She finally came out with the blatant “Chinese are stealing our jobs” talking point that both parties like to blame and deflect their disastrous pro-corporation policies against China for – despite never acknowledging that it’s the Walton family who profits the most and not the average Chinese worker.

    If anyone who lives in a blue state and it’s already per-determined they’re voting Clinton, then voting 3rd party (Jill Stein) who help to gradually push for viable alternatives to the crooked establishment.

  8. No! It’s the for the Democratic party. The party is over. But for the Republicans the party has just begin.

  9. NYT reporter Binyamin Appelbaum tweeted: “After months of chatter about the implosion of the Republican Party, we are instead witnessing the obviation of the Democratic Party.”

    I think Trump destroyed both parties.

  10. @ChineseMom
    You’re wrong. Trump united the Republican party. Both the Senate and House belong to the Republicans. The Democratics could not take over either side. The real person who untied the Republicans is Obama and the liberal Democratics. He will go down as the worst president of his party.

  11. That remains to be seen, no one has any idea what trump could do,the same way nobody had any idea what obama would do either as he like trump didnt have as much of a political background as other candidates.

    All the bickering over rights, healthcare etc.. is not as important as existential threats to our existence.

    The one thing I hope he avoids, is dragging everyone kicking and screaming into another war in the middle east like bush did, and of course keeping the dollar stable and not destroy the u.s economy like bush… hillary would have been the better choice in this regard.

    As far as nuclear war, I think trump is oddly enough a better choice as he says he will improve ties with Russia, the only other country that has a nuclear arsenal to destroy the planet several times over. The confrontational approach with Russia and China over human rights etc.. actually increases the risk of global nuclear war.

    Trump wont ever be in a situation where he could push the red button anytime he wants, even within the u.s government unbeknownst to alot of people there exist safeguards to prevent that from ever happening. Its part of the reason JFK was assasinated as a core group of people within the upper echelons of the government got spooked over the cuban missile crisis, and decided such a thing should never be repeated.

  12. If Trump is seriously stupid enough to weaken the US military commitments with NATO and in Asian-Pacific, then global conflicts would become even more frequent and the next POTUS will have a lot of fires to put out. Hoping it doesn’t become another global conflagration.

    For all the US military spending, it is a stabilizing force in the global world order and no large scale wars have been fought because of the sheer scale of the US military-industrial complex and NATO colonial reach.

  13. “Its part of the reason JFK was assasinated as a core group of people within the upper echelons of the government got spooked over the cuban missile crisis, and decided such a thing should never be repeated.”

    Yup, JFK was the one who got spooked and decided that such a thing should never be repeated, and that is why he was assassinated.

  14. @Aardvark
    You’re a misguided liberal. Obama gutted the military budget and destroyed the military. I believe there are blacks, Asians and Hispanics who supported Trump too. Why not give him a chance to see what’s he going to do.

  15. And there are hermaphodites who voted for Trump, what’s your point? The overwhelming numbers are people of color voted Clinton.

    And where’s your DATA that Obama destroyed the military and gutted its budget? Or just more of your racist rhetoric and lies? Is that the only talking points Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones and Sean Hannity tells you to go spew?

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fact-checking-gop-candidate-statements-on-obamas-military-spending/

    http://www.npr.org/2016/04/29/476048024/fact-check-has-president-obama-depleted-the-military

  16. Also, if going by military budget cuts then you paleo-conservatives should screaming to kick out Trump for the electoral college voting. He campaigned on slashing foreign military spending and downsizing NATO and other commitments and force those countries to pay for their own spending – which is totally laughable and only in his own reality can happen.

    While he promised domestic defense might supposedly go up, how’s it possible with tax cuts and himself paying no taxes?

    Logic is not the right-wingnuts strong suit. ^_^

  17. @senge it was meant as a controversial joke, but if you think about it the presidency is a revolving door of people, and some people may think that they have a higher duty to the country than serve a commander and chief with a different mindset and predisposition that changes every 4 years.

    Nothing personal, I understand if you disagree.

  18. Also personally I would he glad if for instance if somebody was there to stop president trump from launching nukes without any discernable reason, and I am pretty damn sure that there is something in place to prevent a reckless president from initiating a global wide nuclear holocaust.

    @sigfried the good news is if trump destroys the u.s atleast well vote a better candidate in next time.

  19. @Aardvark & Deus ex

    Do you really think that Hillary would keep us saver? She did not help those that who were in the embassy in Benghazi. She even admitted that it was her fault. I for one believe Trump will have a better foreign policy than Obama. He will not be pushing any button to start a war. Obama had little experience when he came into office. People have forgotten about that. You flaming liberals had it your way too long. The American people woke up to where you guys was taken this country and voted for Trump. Thank you Obama for helping us take back our country before it was too late.
    Let Bill and Hillary retire from politics while the Republicans repair this country from eight long years of Obama’s mess.

  20. Paleoconservatives would be upset at cutting military budgets? I think your getting your paleoconservatives mixed up with your neoconservatives.

  21. @sigfried you figured me for the wrong person im neither a liberal or a republican, its entirely possible that trump could suceed in some areas of foreign policy where the obama administration failed, and trump is probably better than all of the gop Candidates combined, but he answers to the gop and that party and its neocon leanings led us to the disaster in Iraq, even after the invasion they ignored advice from a 5 star general not to disband the iraqi army, which they did anyway that led to a long 10 year counter insurgency war that drained all of our money and killed many americans.

    Thats worse then benghazi.

    Of course obama is also responsible in some way for syria and trying to bring bashar assad done that sprung a huge can of worms.

    And clinton would have imo pursued a failed policy in that line of thinking, when the painful reality is that there are situations where the U.S does have to deal and make compromises with dictators and let go of human rights to achieve stability.

    Trump is better in this regard, by not having to adhere to loftier ideals and implementing policy amoral policy decisions that are entirely pragmatic.

    Whether or not it actually happens is anyones guess.

  22. jman wrote:

    Paleoconservatives would be upset at cutting military budgets? I think your getting your paleoconservatives mixed up with your neoconservatives.

    Are we operating by the on paper definition or actual reality? Reagan is the paleoconservative poster boy and are you saying he cut military spending?

  23. Deus ex wrote:

    the painful reality is that there are situations where the U.S does have to deal and make compromises with dictators and let go of human rights to achieve stability.

    Only if it’s in the economic interests of the US corporations to do so: oil from Saudi Arabia.

    Other regions have been dramatically destabilized like Iraq and Syria, as you’ve mentioned.

    The fact of the matter is millennials and others who now inherited this shitstorm of the 20th century cold war should move on and not get involved with outdated thinking of the cold war polarization. Putin is also a dangerous demagogue to peace, but economically they can’t compete and will be limited to a regional power for the foreseeable future.

  24. Siegfried wrote:

    Do you really think that Hillary would keep us saver? She did not help those that who were in the embassy in Benghazi. She even admitted that it was her fault.

    Don’t blame me. I didn’t vote for her. I followed Viggo Mortensen and voted Jill stein. Both major parties are disgusting right now.

    The skeletons in Clinton’s closet is what lost her the election. The DNC should’ve listened to their base and went with Bernie.

    Obama had little experience when he came into office. People have forgotten about that.

    That’s the dilemma with the highest office for anybody: all POTUS go in green without experience. Indeed by definition when you reach that level you have your core principles and ideology how you want to lead, but there’s no direct experience unless it’s the 2nd term.

    You flaming liberals had it your way too long.

    What makes you even think anybody here’s flaming? And yet your mirror image James Lamb-Fang calls everyone here right-wingnuts. Which is it?

    Maybe I’m just centrist and it’s your polarized dogma that’s the problem!

    The American people woke up to where you guys was taken this country and voted for Trump.

    Michael Moore’s Trumpland explained this better than anybody right now. Especially the viral “Trump is a FU to the establishment” video on youtube; but you need to watch the whole thing to see how Moore thinks Trump gonna pillage and plunder this country for his own profit and it’s end of the outdated conservative cold war mentality and everybody can finally move into the 21st century and join the rest of the world as sane people.

  25. @Aardvark Who is James Lamb-Fang? I been on here for a long time. Since my days with the Fighting 44s now they are dead in the water. I was on Yellow world for a short time.
    Back to the topic at hand, I don’t believe in Gays getting marriaged we had that forced down our throats by a liberal Supreme Court. I hope Trump will bring back the band. He’ll make damn sure that no liberal judge will ever sit on the Supreme Court again.

  26. It is easier to stick to paper definitions if you want to understand to understand the dynamics. Like most elected politicians, it is hard to peg a proper label Reagan.

  27. jman wrote:

    It is easier to stick to paper definitions if you want to understand to understand the dynamics. Like most elected politicians, it is hard to peg a proper label Reagan.

    I’m a pastafarian of the church of flying spaghetti monster. Doesn’t mean anything, but let’s use the paper definitions to understand the dynamics!

    Reagan was definitely one of a kind to end the cold war with crazy deficit spending, but at least that setup the internet economy for Clinton. Now it’s the 21st century, why are people still stuck with manufacturing when it’s all about information and automation economies?

  28. @Siegfried,

    You didn’t realize Snoopy Jenkins is James Lamb, husband to Jenn Fang?

    Why do you care about what gay people do? 😉

    Calling it “marriage” might’ve been too offensive for evangelicals, but why should people who love each other have no spousal privileges like hetero-normatives? And Biblical “marriage” in what sense, like the Mormon polygamy?

  29. The general line is ok. API Americans need a third party to maximize swing vote power. You are captured by the Democrats, if the Republicans are taken over by angry white men. Then the Democrats assume that you vote for them certainly, because you fear the white supremacists so much. Democrats can promise you everything before the election and forget all about it after.

    Two party systems are very dangerous for minorities, because the winner takes it all. It motivates hate speech, because it is the simplest way to mobilize supporters. Typically poor voters are difficult to mobilize, whereas white middle class voters are more easily to mobilize with hate speech. Donald trump does not have the majority behind him – just the majority of actually voters. Many people did not vote.

    You need a difficult electorial procedure like the Instant-Runoff voting in metropolitan regions. San Francisco has it already. But it is actually better to have it for the election of the mayors and the president. Instant-Runoff Voting priviledge the median voter and can maximize your swing vote power locally. Voters can bargain about the 2nd, 3rd…preferences. This procedure enables to defeat extremist candidates from the left and the right.

    A new party is difficult to establish to fight against neoliberals and paleoconservatives. You need an alliance with atavistic unions to organize the transport worker and white collar worker in the government into a stronghold of a third party. Transport worker can force every government to give up. State employees can do slowdown strike.

    I think it is useful to do transnational organizing with the organizations that visit the World Social Forum to coordinate actions in all major ports that export and import goods into the USA. You need a weapon to break down free trade agreements to protect unionized white worker jobs. Union membership is a predictor for voting against too much income inequality.

    I think you should reunite the apI voting bloc with Multi-Body Sortition that works with randomly selected interest panel, review panel, agenda council and oversight council. See TG Bouricius: Democracy through Multi-Body Sortition. Random selected policy jury represents the opinions among the API voters fare better than Asian American journalist and academics. Election by lot diminish the probability of cooptation of ethnic elites to betray API voters.

    API candidates should be elected with Instant-Runoff voting to find a candidate who is the most popular for the median voter among the API voting bloc. It is also possible to install a prediction market to pre-select candidates.

    In Ireland there is a tax exemption for creative artists up to 50 000 EUR. Train your artists how to live as Digital Nomad and give them an artists village in Ireland. If a Digital Nomad spend below 180 days in a country he must not pay income tax. You need Digital Nomad artists to produce constantly alternative narratives, images and music clips to promote positive group images and fight stereotypes.

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