Another mass murder with guns

I’m getting angry every time this happens. This time there was a shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, at a K-4th grade elementary school. So far they say around twenty-six people are dead, eighteen of whom are children. Children just trying to learn and be kids, and they’re under attack, thanks to easy and lax laws that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands. This comes just a few days after our local shooting in Clackamas. These children will take the trauma with them wherever they go for the rest of their lives. Look at how Columbine is still in the minds of the survivors. Ten children are dead, and several hundred others will carry damage with them for the rest of their lives.

It has to stop. I’m fed up with it. I’m pissed off that the NRA, thanks to big money, gets to oversee the creation of our laws, while innocent Americans die. Maybe there’s some way we can contact Michael Bloomberg or others who are tired of hearing about innocent people dying just because the NRA wants to hold on to its power in lawmaking.

Any ideas?

Please, hug your children tonight. Then write to your President, Senators, and Congresspeople. We need change on a NATIONAL level. I no longer care about bipartisanship or how oppressed right wing nutjobs feel about the fact that I want intelligent gun laws. The violence and the means to violence have to stop.

23 thoughts on “Another mass murder with guns

  1. using your words…
    i’m getting mad every time this happens – abortion
    it has to stop
    i’m pissed off that NOW, thanks to big money…blah blah blah
    i want intelligent abortion laws
    the violence (dead unborn children) and the means to violence (abortion mills) have to stop

    thanks for your compassion

  2. Fred:

    On the abortion issue, it’s compassionate to say that the mother should have a right to her own body.

    So when some guy murders 20 children, who am I supposed to be compassionate towards, other than the children?

  3. King and RR,

    Yes, I saw that too!

    Here’s a good article about the difference between guns and no guns. I think the author raises some good points about the speed of the gun.

    http://mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2012/12/connecticut_school_shooting_semi_automatic_weapons_and_other_high_speed.html

    As for me, I’m beginning to question why the Second Amendment should be a right. Driving a car is a privilege. A car’s only purpose is locomotion. Owning a gun, on the other hand, is a right. A gun’s only purpose is to kill. Something is very wrong with this law.

  4. Fred:
    You know what’s odd? That the US is filled with “right to lifers” who think a fetus has the same rights as a living thinking person… yet who cling religiously to guns, which exist primarily to take the lives of living persons.

  5. “As for me, I’m beginning to question why the Second Amendment should be a right. Driving a car is a privilege. A car’s only purpose is locomotion. Owning a gun, on the other hand, is a right. A gun’s only purpose is to kill. Something is very wrong with this law”.

    Correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t the 2nd Amendment formulated in the 18th century when the world was a different place? We could say the US Constitution needs to be modernized to adapt to the changing dynamics. There were less sociopaths back in the day. That’s one way to put it.

  6. Bryron stop acting like need jerk attention getter Mayor’s like Bloomberg http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ny-mayor-bloomberg-slams-obama-guns-immediate-action-214800682–politics.html This dumb ass Mayor wants to get attention from the trajedy to slam the President where he did make an eloquent words about this mass killing of innocent children. Mayor Bloomberg is acting like candidate Mitt Romney when he criticize Obama about the Bengazi killings during a fluid fact finding investigation. There is nothing much President Obama can do to regulate strict gun control laws. This is a sad case of a derange mental man who was bent out on a violent rampage with his mother’s legal weapons.

  7. Dman,

    There’s a big disconnect between that headline (“NYC Mayor Bloomberg slams Obama on guns”) and what the article actually says. Does this sound like a “slam”?

    “”President Obama rightly sent his heartfelt condolences to the families in Newtown. But the country needs him to send a bill to Congress to fix this problem,” Bloomberg said. “Calling for ‘meaningful action’ is not enough. We need immediate action. We have heard all the rhetoric before. What we have not seen is leadership—not from the White House and not from Congress.””

    I’d be critical too if Bloomberg slammed Obama, but from the text, he clearly didn’t. Extremely poor reporting.

  8. Eurasian,

    Good post!

    Chr:

    I’ve got another post coming up in the next few minutes about that very topic. I don’t think there were a smaller percentage of psychopaths then than now, but I do think that the technology made it more difficult to commit mass murder.

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  10. Okay Byron, segments of media like to sensationalize and exaggerate leaders comments. Blowhard Bloomberg likes to politicize and profess his anti gun mandate when he is indifferent to show remorse to the victims of this tragedy. He is not even married or have children like President Obama so he does not have the empathy of being a father and losing a loved one. I didn’t vote for Obama this time around because of other issues of the economy, unemployment and illegal immigraton, but I support him as a man and father who was not afraid to show tears to those innocence who died at the school. 🙁

  11. I’m just going to quote a post from a past discussion here with ES about guns:

    “I agree that with you about the States, but what I want to emphasize is gun culture in europe is still considered to be quite bad when compared to the more well-off Asians countries. Whereas the States are extra crazy.

    A better Stat is Homicide by Firearm rate per 100,000 pop.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

    Where Switzerland at 0.77 is extremely high compared to Japan, South Korea and Singapore with 0.01, o.03 and 0.02 respectively. We are just off-the-charts crazy (2.98).

    And I’ll definitely prefer that 0.01 figure over that 2.98 figure.”

    It means we’re 300 times more likely to be shot dead by a gun in states than in Japan. It’s not making any sense to me why people are still clinging onto their ‘rights to bear arms’.

    It’s even more funny that people quote the Constitution. To be things into perspective, the Chinese exclusion Act was in place way AFTER the constitution. In other words, the people in 1700s are fairly stupid and yet we are taking to take their words as gospel?

  12. Dman,

    But Bloomberg has always been pro-gun control. He’s been consistent on this the whole time.

    And actually, he does have children. You can see interviews with his daughter Georgina in this movie:

    http://www.bigwowo.com/2010/04/born-rich/

    N,

    An interesting point made on my FB is that the First Amendment has conditions (can’t cry fire at a crowded theater), so the Second also ought to have the same.

  13. By this point, seeing mass murder after mass murder I am becoming more ambivalent on the “right” to bear arms, because to me, bearing arms has always looked like a very, very heavy responsibility. If there are people who don’t feel the same way, perhaps they should not have firearms.

    These firearms statistics and comparisons with other countries is quite illuminating but i think there are numbers that could be more useful.

    1. What proportion of firearms crimes (including robbery, assault, rape, murder) are committed with legally possessed firearms
    2. What proportion of murders are mass murders and what has been the trend over fifty years or more (we should look at it at least as far back as Sirhan Sirhan)
    3. Are there other means for communities to defend themselves against crime apart from leaving it entirely to state apparatus?

    In my opinion, the mass murders are shocking and abhorrent and yet quite foreseeable. Some very strong nihilistic and anti-human drives and sentiments have infiltrated society well enough to influence those who are vulnerable to it.

  14. “I don’t think there were a smaller percentage of psychopaths then than now, but I do think that the technology made it more difficult to commit mass murder”.

    We are living in an environment increasingly with problems due to the breakdown of the family, entertainment and media perversion and social disconnectedness. I say the AA community should watch their fellow Asian male members carefully, to prevent any lunatic in the making coming out to shoot people randomly. Most important, have their parents make aware of signs of mental problems of their sons which could pose a problem to society.

    Have you heard of Kenneth Eng from a few years ago, a NYU student who almost got a gun and wanted to emulate Cho Seung Hui? He openly said he wanted to go around campus and shoot people, but couldn’t get a gun right at the moment. Thank god he didn’t, because I use to use their library a lot and he could have done a lot of damage since it’s a very crowded area around the Washington Square Park area. He also once threatened his neighbors by saying he wanted to shoot them. Fortunately, his parents were able to recognized that their son had pyschological problems, and now have been under the care of a mental institution.

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  18. It has to stop. I’m fed up with it. I’m pissed off that the NRA, thanks to big money, gets to oversee the creation of our laws, while innocent Americans die. Maybe there’s some way we can contact Michael Bloomberg or others who are tired of hearing about innocent people dying just because the NRA wants to hold on to its power in lawmaking.

    Wish I can take people from the right seriously when they preach about blaming the environments’ complicity responsible for criminals’ behaviors. We all know as soon as the fingerpointing is directed towards the right to blame the NRA or gun manufacturers’ being complicits to mass shooters, or the KKK being complicit to Dylann Roof and Jeremy Joseph Christian, these same rightwing pundits quickly jump to the defense of the organizations rather than blaming the environments as they usually do when pertains to the left.

    I wish all parties involved take responsibility of leading up to proliferate criminals’ behaviors. Complicity accountability should apply all across the board from left to right, that includes Ho-wood, LIEberal press, MSU, gymnastics governing body (FIG), NRA, gun manufacturers, KKK, etc. Not the typical bias and hypocritical of only pertains to the right’s partisan interests.

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