Officer Henry Chung
The bad economy has enabled the New York City Police Department to recruit some unusual talent. Many former Wall Street bankers, who have been hit hard by the economy, have signed up for the police academy and are becoming cops. I noticed this story because of the Asian guy above. Here’s what the article says:
“A year and a half ago, Henry Chung was an assistant vice president at Merrill Lynch, monitoring billions of dollars the firm traded on a daily basis.
Last week, he found himself, in his capacity as a patrol officer in Jackson Heights, Queens, chasing after a man who had slashed another man’s neck with a razor blade. He grabbed the man from behind, pushed him up against a wall and handcuffed him.
“It’s a little different than looking at a computer monitor trying to figure out why there’s a million bucks missing in the firm’s accounts,” Officer Chung, 34, said in a telephone interview. “
I don’t know about you guys, but I think this is awesome. Although the economy is tough, it’s diversifying the police force, which in turn creates trust among people. Plus, I would think that diversity could help the force make better decisions.
The problem, as the article mentions, is money. The police department doesn’t have a lot of money right now, and so even though police officers are needed, they can’t afford to hire as many as they need. Still, for those fortunate enough to get a job with the NYPD, the pay is good–$90,000 after five years, and retirement, pension, and benefits after twenty.
This is the best quote in the article:
Last week, Officer Montilla said he arrested a 400-pound man in a housing project in Harlem who had 10 bags of crack cocaine on him.
“The man was saying he was going to kill my mother, and kill my family,” Officer Montilla said. He said the angriest person he dealt with before was someone who wanted a better rate on their municipal bonds.
That’s awesome.
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I know plenty of Asian cops who had a previous white collar career. A lot of former IT guys. One guy was an engineer (I don’t know what kind, but he is logical as a Vulcan). Another guy was a draftsman at an architectural firm. My very first partner used to work for Charles Schwab.
I rented a room to an FBI agent (an ABC) who used to work as some kind of business-information-computer dude. He decided to switch careers, because he was at his work place watching the Twin Towers collapse on 9/11.
I think being a patrol cop actually has a lot in common with being a trader on Wall Street–quick decision making, fast calculations, and decisive action. Engineers would make good detectives since they’re logical.
I was surprised by how much money cops make. I know one cop who said that he had to buy his gun, but after that, with the benefits, good salary, and permanent pension, it’s not a bad deal (well, assuming you don’t get shot). Lots of people probably don’t about the opportunities in law enforcement.
I’d like to see more Asians in federal law enforcement. And yeah, I’ve met a few agents on the job who had private sector jobs as chemists, one was some sort of bio-engineering type, before applying to the academy. I think a lot of us have good intellects and can do this job. You still get your dumb-as-rocks types, but for the most part, most of the Asian federal agents and officers I’ve met were squared away.
I just met the latest bunch of recruits at our academy recently at a charity event. and there were 3 Asians: one female and two males. I didn’t get a chance to talk to them. My partner was drafted as a class counselor for that academy class and he told me the female was a really good candidate and had made good impressions on the instructors. That’s great to see.
They should do more stories about Asian Americans in law enforcement. Right now, it’s pretty cool watching John Cho in FlashForward.
Bryon,
“I was surprised by how much money cops make. I know one cop who said that he had to buy his gun, but after that, with the benefits, good salary, and permanent pension, it’s not a bad deal (well, assuming you don’t get shot). Lots of people probably don’t about the opportunities in law enforcement”.
Would you agree that AMs should attempt something different at least once in their lifetime? This could perhaps change the course of Asian Males in America.
Stop wasting money on those Ivy degrees that leads to you to another faceless corporate serf position without much recognition. There are better ways to get a ROI.
I would like to see more AMs get creative with their lives and still earn good money, and avoid the face saving stigma in our shame based culture.
“I know plenty of Asian cops who had a previous white collar career. A lot of former IT guys. One guy was an engineer (I don’t know what kind, but he is logical as a Vulcan). Another guy was a draftsman at an architectural firm. My very first partner used to work for Charles Schwab”.
I know 2 Asian firemen who had college degrees, and started out in white collar positions before they became firefighters.
This guy was my classmate who eventually joined the FDNY.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/will-ko/4/291/928
“Would you agree that AMs should attempt something different at least once in their lifetime?”
AMs as in “all of us,” or AMs as in “some of us?” There’s a big difference.
“AMs as in “all of us,” or AMs as in “some of us?” There’s a big difference”.
How about in “most of us”? What do you think?
How do you know what “most of us” want or need in life?
How is one to know what “most of us” are actually doing? Perhaps we already are doing something “different” and people notice it. Or people notice and they don’t think twice about an Asian guy doing unconventional X, Y and Z. Also what do you mean by different? Are you referring to taking the road less traveled? Bucking societal and convention and parental expectations?
I think I get what you’re saying, but at some point, you can’t worry what other people think. Screw ‘em. There will always be a stereotype for every group, whether right or wrong. You just gotta live your life and move past the bullshit.
“How do you know what “most of us” want or need in life?”
Which saids a lot about your activism, Fighting 44s, and the whole PUA movement.
Do you get it now?
Which saids a lot about Byron’s activism, Fighting 44s, and the critique of the PUA movement.
“I think I get what you’re saying, but at some point, you can’t worry what other people think. Screw ‘em. There will always be a stereotype for every group, whether right or wrong. You just gotta live your life and move past the bullshit”.
“Do you get it now?”
Huh? No. I really don’t get it.
Chr, could you re-write that again? I can’t follow the flow of your logic.
A lot of you guys want to uplift the image of AMs, is it not?
Steve Jobs said you should never imitate, never simply chase success, always do what’s in your gut. Risk failure, do great work!
Not attacking you because I’ve just realised you really might not be able to elucidate on your thoughts that easily. Could you walk us through on how you got from Point A to Point B? That would help a lot. Thanks!
Raguel,
The heart of the discussion involving AMs and their presence in America is that people ignore/misunderstand them, and many feel marginalized because of it. Isn’t this a major grievance to MANY AMs?
Does the emasculation of AM sound familiar to you? Would you agree that many AMs are set into a trap? By being meek, not assertive, and not original, let alone because of the negative stereotypes coming from the media. Doesn’t this tie into the whole PUA/APB, and Fighting 44s empowerment movement? No? Why does the world “Alpha” come up so often among AM circles?
When the Bruce Lee movies came out in the states long time ago, AMs did get a newfound respect from him, because he sort of redefined the image of what an AM can do. Fast forwarding, Hollywood is now more racist towards AMs, as many claim it to be. So how do AMs counteract or fight it? Or we shouldn’t, because having a discussion on this is not relevant to MANY of us?
I don’t get it.
What “says a lot about Byron’s activism, Fighting 44s, and the critique of the PUA movement?” What are we talking about?
I’m about to tap out.
Chr, oh you’re talking about those guys that continually harp on and on about the “image” of the Asian man in America…
I don’t think this applies to Byron’s blog, though. I see a lot of stuff here on education and parenting for example, and what I really like is that I can read an article here and have it linked to others that were also written. So it gives me a few perspectives that I can use to form a bigger picture, whether its to agree or disagree or anything in the middle.
No? AFCC, PUA, and Interracial Dating Disparity.
It’s enough to link all this back to those whiners who said Hollywood is at fault for all the above mentioned issues.
Bryon likes to refer to this link:
http://asianmalerevolutions.com/
This AMR guy really takes the cake on the whole AM image harping. This is from his site – White women and women of other races – including many Asian women – subconsciously view Asian men as having “low social (thus sexual) value” since they are completely and categorically left out of the media’s discourse on what is “cool” (and thus valid) about diversity and multiculturalism.
“Chr, oh you’re talking about those guys that continually harp on and on about the “image” of the Asian man in America…
I don’t think this applies to Byron’s blog, though”.
Lolwut? The only whiners I see on here are those you have brought here with you, within your own mind.
Oh, so AMR puts up his media Asian guy grievances on a website, and it is not a form of whining, but my rants about it on this site, according to you makes the qualification?
Have you written any articles, and put it on your OWN website?
Why does a whiner need his own website to address his grievances when there are enough websites that cater to it?
I think I need to grow my own food, despite the supermarkets and local farmers’ stands!
Those other whiners, at least they try to take it up a step by having their own website so they have some control over their message and how it can reach their audience. It’s a puny step, but it’s still a step.
But you, you’re just a freeloader. You rant and whine on internet websites for years without doing anything but sitting on your backside with your thumbs up your anus. That’s all you do. If someone could distil the pure essence of impotent whining and ranting, the result would be you.
At the risk of jumping into the middle the sniping here, let me try and bring some focus back.
“Would you agree that AMs should attempt something different at least once in their lifetime? This could perhaps change the course of Asian Males in America. Stop wasting money on those Ivy degrees that leads to you to another faceless corporate serf position without much recognition. There are better ways to get a ROI. I would like to see more AMs get creative with their lives and still earn good money, and avoid the face saving stigma in our shame based culture. ”
Aren’t a lot of us already doing that? Venturing into more creative endeavors? Perhaps you don’t see it. My younger cousin is Richard On, the lead guitarist for OAR. He never finished up college, chose to hit the road with the band and play before a growing number of fans. They’ve appeared on Conan, played at Madison Square Gardens. Kid’s living the dream. And Angry Asian Man seems to highlight a lot of AA’s doing creative stuff.
I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything, I got no quarrel with you, but what do you think the prescription is? You express a desire for more AM’s to do “something different at least once in their lifetime” but I think maybe it’s already happening.
“….Hollywood is now more racist towards AMs, as many claim it to be. So how do AMs counteract or fight it? Or we shouldn’t, because having a discussion on this is not relevant to MANY of us?”
Look, we all know there’s a social dynamic at play here. None of us like it, but I don’t think one should be all consumed with it. Recognize it for what it is, know that it exists, and find work arounds to hurdles as best as you can.
The best way to counteract all of the bad imagery is to be a fully dimensional human being in your daily interactions with people. Media stereotypes reflects a laziness upon those who perpetuate them; instead of working to create a dimensional person of color, they shortcut the work and make them the cliched, stereotype, character. A person is not just what his/her occupation is unless he/she makes it their identity. And that means pursuing a new skill, a new passion or interest or hobby—some sort of personal growth outside of work.
You counteract the bad images with your daily interaction with people, one person at a time. And yeah, you’ll run into your ignorant dumb asses who won’t see you for who you really are. But why waste your time on them? They’re going to think what they wanna think no matter what you do.
Dude..what’s next with your explicit descriptions? Do you need know that I grabbed my genitalia and cringed while writing these posts?
“You rant and whine on internet websites for years without doing anything but sitting on your backside with your thumbs up your anus. That’s all you do. If someone could distil the pure essence of impotent whining and ranting, the result would be you”.
Mojo -
I was reading a rant about an Asian guy who became a poet and he likes White girls. Most of them don’t give him a rat’s ass as he described it. Maybe he wasn’t working hard enough to convince them that he was “cool”. Someone has to pick up the slack.
I think the real problem is that there aren’t enough Asian men afflicted with megalomania. To want to do something great, you need to be somehow delusional for grandeur. That’s where Asian PUAs come into the scene.
“Aren’t a lot of us already doing that? Venturing into more creative endeavors? Perhaps you don’t see it. My younger cousin is Richard On, the lead guitarist for OAR. He never finished up college, chose to hit the road with the band and play before a growing number of fans. They’ve appeared on Conan, played at Madison Square Gardens. Kid’s living the dream. And Angry Asian Man seems to highlight a lot of AA’s doing creative stuff…..The best way to counteract all of the bad imagery is to be a fully dimensional human being in your daily interactions with people. Media stereotypes reflects a laziness upon those who perpetuate them; instead of working to create a dimensional person of color, they shortcut the work and make them the cliched, stereotype, character. A person is not just what his/her occupation is unless he/she makes it their identity. And that means pursuing a new skill, a new passion or interest or hobby—some sort of personal growth outside of work”.
Why does it have to be megalomania? Why not just confidence and self -assuredness about who you are and what your capabilities are? I tend to think that megalomaniacs are more likely to be and be viewed as self-absorbed, selfish, assholes. But if it works for someone, more power to them.
Our experiences are not monolithic either and I don’t think you can’t be something that you’re just not. You can, however, fulfill your potential and maximize your strong points, work on your weaknesses, and grow as a human being. So perhaps just gaining confidence and a belief in one’s abilities might be better suited than forcing one’s self to be a megalomaniac. I mean, if that drive or temperment isn’t in you, it’s going to be hard to be that overbearing, force-of-personality, individual.
As for that poet guy? You shouldn’t have to convince anyone that you’re cool. I think if you go in with that mindset of having to convince someone of anything, you’re missing out on making a simple human connection to begin with. But who knows? Maybe the guy’s not as accomplished as he thinks in his poetry; maybe he lacks self awareness, or has other flaws that he doesn’t recognize but others do. Or maybe he’s just in the wrong crowd of women who don’t give a shit about the reflective, sensitive, poet type to begin with. Who knows? Hopefully, he’s had a chance to vent some frustration but can now dust himself off and get back to creating a happier circumstance for himself.
Why megalomania? Why encourage your fellow brother to suffer mental illness?
Lol, when its put that way there’s no longer a reason to ask, is there?
Maybe that poet should look beyond just chasing white girls. Also, there are plenty of factors why he may be ignored. Does he work on himself to make himself look presentable? Does he shower daily? Is he a 2 and going after 9s? I don’t have much sympathy for anyone who whines about stuff like that.
Having a healthy dose of megalomania is what propels the movers and shakers to earn their mark. You need to have thoughts of being great, famous, powerful and even ruthlessness to be in those positions. I gather most Asian dudes in America seem to be happy with the status quo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wang
I’m sure you guys heard of him? How many AM bigwigs own a freaking sports team for chrissake?
Now the mainstream will not tolerate a successful, yet ruthless AM, and this guy has been in the hot seat for quite some time. But if there are more of him, I think AMs will get their respect regardless.
It’s was the same pretext that the Anglos used on the Jews a century ago, that they were too ruthless and unfair when it came to business practices.
Could you tell us more about your own achievements, Chr?
Are you equating social and positional status to having respect? What respect are you referring to? Because I don’t necessarily see the link between amassing power and influence and having social acceptance as AMs. You may have the power and influence and maybe some professional respect and still be thought of as an asshole. Just look at the US congress!
And yes, I know who Charlie Wang is, because I follow hockey. He used to have Richard Park on the team, a great 4th line grinder; I liked Park because he was a gritty blood and guts guy on the ice who was a well rounded player, but I digress.
“Because I don’t necessarily see the link between amassing power and influence and having social acceptance as AMs…You may have the power and influence and maybe some professional respect and still be thought of as an asshole. Just look at the US congress!”
It’s better to be the nice guy without a voice, don’t you think?
As Machiavelli puts it, it’s better to be feared than loved!
If we see more AMs who are power hungry jerks, I think Whites, Blacks and Hispanics will have 2nd thoughts about crossing us!
“Could you tell us more about your own achievements, Chr?”
Not so much other than the fact that I want to outcompete a lot of these mainstream accountants who happened to be these older males, mostly White, to the point where I can say to them “your days are numbered”.
I wanted the APB to help me on this, but Byron said don’t waste your time. “laughs big time”
“It’s better to be the nice guy without a voice, don’t you think?”
Chr,
I think you’re mixing some ideas together and I don’t see exactly where they mesh. First of all, let me try and get it clear as to what kind of respect you are referring to. Is it professional respect? Respect as a person, as in the quality of your character? I think there needs to be context as to what you mean. I never advocated that one should just be a nice guy with no voice and be a door mat. Not at all.
My point was that I don’t see the connection between megalomania and deriving respect from others as an AM. If you want greater notice, then sure, megalomania and self promotion (like Donald Trump) gives you greater visibility and a measure of celebrity. But is that the end, in and of itself? Greater attention?
“If we see more AMs who are power hungry jerks, I think Whites, Blacks and Hispanics will have 2nd thoughts about crossing us!”
My take on it is that you’re really talking about fear. I’m not so sure either that fear = respect = social acceptance. Because isn’t greater social acceptance the goal? I’ve worked for plenty of assholes and morons and sycophantic front office types and I’ve respected their title and tolerated them but I never respected them at all as to who they were and how they got there (mostly ass kissing and good old boy network rather than merit). In fact, none of the rank and file respect them, nor does middle management.
But perhaps it depends on which career fields we are talking about where your prescription might work. I dunno. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m not sure how this would work. That’s why I was asking you before what you meant by AMs should do something different just once in their lives. Are you talking about bucking social convention in how we are perceived as AMs? Or are you talking about changing one’s mindset and temperment from the stereotype of being quiet and non-confrontational etc…?
I actually agree with Chr on this one. In order to negotiate our social position collectively, we need to have something that we can bargain with. And right now there’s too many that is happy to be ‘assimilated’ and act as a head slave to his/her white master.
Anyone who’s half famous who makes fun of Jews will land themselves in the news, anyone that makes fun of asians… lord, asians are so sensitive, can’t they take a joke?
And the difference in attitude is definitely due to the difference in financial and media influence.
Mojo, I didn’t bother to read your posts completely.
I hate it when Asians side with the enemies to be. To have Asians drink the PC Kool Aid in favor of others, and by stymieing any warranted criticisms coming from their own people is just sickening. We all heard it before, oh those Asians are being too sensitive and can take a joke. Or, it was only an isolated incident that Asians were attacked/bullied in school, no problem!
do you need some Kotex? you need to change out? relax, for cyring out loud…..
you’re a pile of confusion. all i was asking for was clarification because you’re spouting off too many generalities. instead, you post muddled thoughts where I’m trying to get into the specifics of what you mean. if you’re inarticulate, maybe you need to work on the issue that you can’t communicate your ideas clearly before you put into practice your megalomania.
Mojo – What is it that you don’t get from my rants?
My point is that if we had more Power Hungry Asian Megalomaniacs, we wouldn’t be targeted as a weak group and therefore subject to taunts and physical abuse that we often hear in the news. Instead, we have quite a number of Asians who go with the flow that we are harmless and it’s ok to fuck with us.
No one dares to directly question the motives of Jews because of their financial and political clout. No one dares to mock them face to face because they will be called out as an anti-semite. But when a rare Asian guy like Charlie Wang who becomes a billionaire CEO, and owns a sports team, the mainstream plays their double standards by saying he’s a crony crook who made his way to the top unethically.
“Mojo – What is it that you don’t get from my rants?”
What we don’t get from your rants is the logical progression of your ideas. Could you go back and rewrite it.
“My point is that if we had more Power Hungry Asian Megalomaniacs….”
Except that you’re not one of these miraculous saviors, are you? So in effect all your time and effort is devoted to exhorting OTHER Asians to be the people you want them to be, so that THEY can make your life easier by doing what YOU cannot and won’t do.
Amiright?
@Raguel – at least I tell people to go fight the establishment. It’s a lot better than to whine incessantly without a cause. It a whole lot better than to ponder on the AFCC like many of the (AFC)humps here, or like you who think sex deviance adds the spice to a discussion.
Lol at sex defiance! Touché XD
I mean deviance. Stupid iPad autocorrect.
Mojo: Whoa, now, let’s not drag in those of us who *do* need Kotex! =P
That said, I agree with Mojorider. Chr.. conflates megalomania with respect. Megalomania has little to do with how respected one is and more to do with one’s own internal delusions of grandeur. It’s also considered a form of psychosis. Not sure psychosis is the ideal route to accruing success.
Whether we’re perceived as a “weak” ethnic group won’t change from a high percentage of Asian males suddenly getting hit with a burst of megalomania. In fact, I say most of the world views Kim Jong Il as weak in character. Others’ perception of our strength won’t start until we view ourselves as strong, until there actually is strength and there’s no delusions about it.
Circling back to the original point of the post, it would be great to see more APA males in law enforcement. It’s so alpha! =)
Much of what is said about Kim Jong Il is really just propaganda. If I as a Korean had to choose between a leader who threatens America with nuclear weapons, versus a cabinet that KOW-TOWED in apology for the Cho Seung Hui massacre…. well I wouldn’t choose but I’d sure as hell ask why the fuck American soldiers got away scot free or with slaps on the wrists for some really hideous crimes committed in Korea.
http://www.journalismworksproject.org/army_korea04.html
There’s a crime scene photo of the Yun Geum-I murder on the net but I strongly recommend not viewing it. It’s fucking insane. How could a man that did that get away with anything short of the DEATH penalty?
Maybe nuclear weapons are necessary after all.
@tz
yes, my apologies for using crudities. I kind of knew that was a pretty locker room/sexist thing to say as soon as I posted. hey, it’s a guy thing, it’s the kind of crap we say to each other, but my apologies nonetheless.
Look, I get the idea about exerting influence and having power. I’m all for AM’s being more confident and assertive and standing up for ourselves. There really needs to be an Asian Al Sharpton activist, a gadfly to bring attention to injustices so that the mainstream society knows what is offensive to us…..
but megalomania as a strategy for everyone? I dunno about that necessarily bringing respect. You also forget that a lot of people seem to hate the Jews even more if they are powerful and ruthless. I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, I just see putting that into practice as being better suited only for certain situations and professions.
And yes: bringing it all back to the topic at hand, it’d be great to see more Asians in law enforcement.
Jews control or dominate many industries in America, and many of them work together despite their dislike for one another. It’s like a family squabble. We Asians are the same when it comes to this, but we don’t seem to deliver, because we can’t put our differences/rivalries aside even for a day as it seems.
I never say straightout megalomania is a good thing. You need to have megalomania tendencies in order to become a Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, John Liu and not a Jerry Yang.
Some of nicest people I’ve met are Jews. I encountered a lot more obnoxious White gentiles, Blacks and Asians in power positions.
Listen, no one (the White majority) in America likes any non-White Christian group who is powerful and ruthless. But it’s a lot better than to be perceived as powerless and accomodating like the Asians. Would you rather be the nice guy who is always bending your back for someone if given the 2 choices?
“but megalomania as a strategy for everyone? I dunno about that necessarily bringing respect. You also forget that a lot of people seem to hate the Jews even more if they are powerful and ruthless. I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, I just see putting that into practice as being better suited only for certain situations and professions”.