Quick…according to ABC’s new show FlashForward, what does it take to change an Asian woman’s face to go from this:
Asian woman disgusted
to this:
Asian woman in love
Here are the choices:
a) Two eligible Asian bachelors with good jobs
b) A creative rebellious Japanese tattoo artist
c) An Asian American FBI agent who is on a mission to solve the crime of the century
d) Some White guy she doesn’t know but whom she is willing to travel overseas to meet
If you need to cheat, you can check the answer in Episode 9.
The answer, for those of you who are not followers of culture, is d. All of the other guys have screen time, but yes, she chooses Whitey (sorry if that’s offensive, but so are the racial stereotypes). It’s so obvious that if you have been reading this blog for more than two months and couldn’t make an educated guess, you should kick yourself now. Sure, some people will criticize Asian men for discussing the disparity, but as others have said before, it’s always easy to criticize a group of people if you’re ignoring their situation.
I want to acknowledge that FlashForward, by putting John Cho as the #2 lead, is breaking new ground. But that doesn’t excuse putting forth this weak, asexual image of Asian men
Hollywood Asians
followed by this implied contrast of White male emotion and sensitivity:
The producers buttress their White Savior storyline with god-awful portrayals of sexism against Asian women by those evil, emotionless, Japanese salaryman. Plus, the Japanese woman likes guitar, which, of course, is oh so atypical of those emotionless Asian automatons. Of course she just has to travel to the U.S. to free her soul.
They had a scene of White Savior Boy teaching himself Japanese with tapes. They should’ve had him say, “Ore wa raisu-chyeisa desu” (“I am a Rice Chaser.”) Hey, if you’re going to insult us Asian men, might as well throw us a laugh as well. It’s not as if the audience would know the difference anyway (and they messed up anyway by translating “suki desu” as “I love you.”).
I used to live in Japan, and I know that there is sexism against women. They do ask women to make their tea. But to make that a rallying cry for why this Japanese woman is running away from Japanese men into the arms of some unknown Great White hope is insulting. Plus the guitar storyline–I’ve told many people this over and over, but when I was walking through the streets of Japan, whether through Aomori or Tokyo, I was surprised by the number of youth carrying guitars. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a higher per capita number of guitar players in Japan than in the U.S. Some of these guitarists were amazing too. Haha…if anything, she should’ve been running towards Tokyo.
Of course, there are a lot of Japanese women who go crazy over White men. But there are also Japanese women who love Asian men. It’s probably the majority of them, actually. Why can’t we hear their stories? I personally would’ve found it cool if this woman had fallen for John Cho (although he already has a good love interest).
As I said, they are breaking new ground with John Cho. But come on, why is it so difficult to get an Asian American love storyline going? And why is it always Asian women gravitating towards White guys? Can’t we diversify this a bit? We Asian men are men, and we seek love too.
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This move should not be surprising. For those people who thought ABC/Disney was making a step forward with casting John Cho, stop deluding yourselves.
In terms of race, the American media serves the interests of … surprise, surprise … White people in general and the White male in particular.
That’s instrinic to *their* system and institutions generally.
Even when this media casts minorities in prominent roles, it only does so to present a non-threatening propagandistic vision of “diversity” that does not challenge White dominance or its worldview.
Hence, you see the standard WM/AF cliche or the White male lead (the perpetually pained Joseph Fiennes) with his minority sidekick (Cho) to reassure White viewers in Flash Forward.
This is an allegory of how “diversity” works in general. It’s nothing more than racial cover. This same old tired White power–but now more hidden behind a rainbow mask.
Bottom line: stop looking to Hollywood or the White media for any type of progressive representation. It ain’t happening. Create your own media.
Don’t need to hide behind riddles. The only way for this to change is for Asian women to make the objection. However, they don’t want to because, well, you can form your own conclusions for that.
I was pondering something; if Asian women were socially aware, they would want to capitalize on the angst about the disparity. If Asian women went out and protest en masse, Asian men would be very appreciative. So appreciative, in fact, that AM could be successfully convinced to fight injustice such as sexism.
Alas, social graces and shortsightedness blocks you from making any type of progress.
Byron!!
Thanks for the link, and it was really great meeting you. Love your blog, and I didn’t know you used to live in Japan! A lot of the men there don’t really open doors for you, in fact they slam it in our faces hahaha.
Emily
I’m not surprised anymore about this storyline in movies and t.v. It happens again and again and again. Unfortunately, it doesn’t help our cause when there are reports of a Japanese man marrying a video game character. If I had the money I would fly to Japan and smack the shit of this dude and tell him not to be a stereotype.
Frankly, I’m exasperated by Hollywood’s portrayal of Asian men. In fact I just don’t care anymore. I know I’m more man than half the turds that women, especially Asian women, fawn over. If that’s what they want then so be it. Find it, chase it, and have yourself a happy White Christmas ladies. A good man is not defined by the color of his skin or by what society dictates.
To my Asian brothers, keep on keepin’ and hold your heads high.
Yeah, I’m with Dizzle on this one. Fuck this shit.The writers want to keep the Caucasians as the alpha males, they keep repeating this shit over and over again.
Was actually watching Flashforward because of hottie John Cho, but its clear hes just a cog in the token diversity machine. I’m reminded of something House OF Whoreship wrote;
“You people who believe in change from the inside or whatever, explain to me why nothing has happened?……white privilege has within it the means to incorporate dissent, just like consumerism eats up the counterculture and repackages and sells it to us”.
Even if theres more AZN representation on western tv, almost always they are still sidekicks and tokenistic……
I’ve always wondered why there isn’t more of a pronounced backlash about the disparity on YouTube?
Sure, people talk about this stuff all the time in AA forums, and that does raise some awareness in the AA community. But how about everybody else? How about the clueless masses who can watch this kind of storyline unfold (for the 1000th time) on a TV show and not even flinch?
I mean, if CCBs can use YouTube to patiently explain their preference for White guys, why can’t more activists use it to point out the obvious to the oblivious? I realize that there are SOME Asian guys out there who have done this, but I just wonder why their aren’t a lot more? It would also be great if likeminded Asian women would participate too. Why not use new media against old media? It’s better than doing nothing.
King,
Great point.
You know, right now, we’re trying to use new media to get people to write for the Thymos Book Project. My own problem is that I suck with the new media. I can’t think of anything compelling to put on screen. Maybe there are other Asian men who are feeling the same thing. Which means one thing–we need to empower Asian American filmmakers to make their statements. Maybe it could be a combination action between filmmakers and writers.
One of the criticisms of Yellow Fever was that it made a statement but that it didn’t make it seriously enough. Perhaps if filmmakers partnered with writers, we could work together to make a loud statement.
Anna and Dizzle,
Good points.
Emily,
It was really great meeting you at the conference!
I forgot to mention that I lived in Japan. I was only there for a year, and it was ten years ago. So please don’t quiz me on anything.
And yes, not only do they slam it in your faces, they also split the tab 50-50.
uRB4N,
I think that would make a loud statement. There are some: do you remember Sister, Can You Lend an Ear? by Julia Oh? (I may repost that since it’s hard to find it these days.) I think you’re right–if more Asian women took up that cause, lots of people would jump on the bandwagon.
Larry,
I think I do need to learn the new media. Perhaps we all should be studying it.
Uh, D linked the ModelMinority.com site in that forum post to Julia Oh’s essay. I just went there. What happened to that site?
I’m not sure what’s more shocking–the fact that they updated it, or the fact that the same super crazies are still there from when I last visited six or seven years ago…
But Jaehwan, I would think that the first step would be to resort to pure guerilla media tactics. Guerilla Rule #1: A less powerful resistance cannot fight a conventional force using conventional tactics.
Sure, it’s great to have the filmmaker approach, but in the mean time, your ideological opponents are not nearly as particular, so long as they are getting their message out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK3UCFU0Og
It’s not about production value, it’s about message and market saturation. Do you see what I mean. Why is only one side doing this? Where is the opposition?
I knew what I was getting into when I started watching Flashforward. I had written about the racial undertones in the show earlier on Ricest.com: http://www.ricest.com/story/591/racial_undertones_in_tv_s_flashforward_105_gimme_some_truth_warning_contains_spoilers
Don’t view the link unless you’ve watched Flashforward s01e05.
So I wasn’t too surprised about the “white saviour” in s01e09. In fact, I was expecting it. I thought the white guy was a God-awful character, but I’m actually more interested in this Japanese woman’s character. At this point, I’ve all but given up on Flashforward as a politically correct TV show. I’m now only watching it still for John Cho’s limited role …and personally, I hope he get killed on (March 15, 2010) to save himself face.
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P.S. I will kill him myself if the show gets any worse.
Interesting, Byron!
I think urban’s posts raise a great point about agency. Whether or not you agree or disagree with urban’s tone (I personally believe he’s saying what a lot of Asian men would like to say but are afraid to because then we’d risk losing the only sliver of females that might view us as sexual beings), there’s a lot of poignancy in what he says.
I’m going to analogize this to the civil rights movements of the 1960s. While black activists certainly got the ball rolling, true achievement was unable to be accomplished until they won the support of whites. From marchers, to advocates, to JFK and LBJ enacting the Civil Rights Act, the tide was swung with the emergence of prominent white support for blacks. If we only heard from black voices, there’s no way the same strides would have been made.
Going back to the current situation, I don’t think that Asian men can ever win this battle by ourselves. This sucks to admit because we seem to be the only ones supporting ourselves, and we can’t fathom who else will take up our cause with us. However, like the civil rights movement, the agency for change does not lie with us; it lies with those who are benefited by the institution and therefore have the capacity to change it. Obviously, that means white males and Asian females.
I wonder if we’re looking at our responsibility incorrectly. Instead of thinking we need to shoulder this burden, should we be convincing others from outside our group to shoulder the burden with us? I’m not quite sure how we convince white males and Asian females to take up this cause en masse, but I wonder if white females might be an interesting portal through which we can gain support. They’re more neutral than either white males or Asian females, and from my experience are more able to at least understand the situation academically, even if they’re unable to fully internalize what they understand, i.e. they understand that people are socially conditioned to find Asian men asexual, even though they themselves don’t think of Asian men sexually. In fact, I’ve heard a few white women complain that they can’t compete with the image of Asian women and lose men to them, or specifically to the image. Therefore, maybe they do have a small stake in this, and can become allies in the hopes of winning over the people that need to be won over.
Thoughts?
@ etain.
Appealing to straight White males is naive and self-defeating at best. As a class, they benefit from White male privilege. Why should they willingly give it up–unless they are threatened with losing something of greater value?
As a class, White males may *pretend* to be sympathetic to these issues–in order to insinuate themselves into positions of influence and power and thus control any potential movement, but that’s about it.
Appealing to White women (and other minorities) would be a much better strategy.
I’m going to analogize this to the civil rights movements of the 1960s. While black activists certainly got the ball rolling, true achievement was unable to be accomplished until they won the support of whites. From marchers, to advocates, to JFK and LBJ enacting the Civil Rights Act, the tide was swung with the emergence of prominent white support for blacks. If we only heard from black voices, there’s no way the same strides would have been made.
This is a mainstream (i.e. White) historical version of what happened during the 1960s and 1970s, but it’s not exactly the truth.
It was not the Civil Rights movement that ultimately forced changed by the American state (whether JFK or LBJ), and it sure as hell wasn’t due to the benevolence of White people.
It was the more radical Black Power and Black Liberation Movements that compelled the American establishment to make changes (in order to politically pacify rebellion). Indeed, there were similar other radical minority movements that joined in these struggles like the Chicano Movement, American Indian Movement, and yes even the Yellow Power movement.
It was the rise of major urban rebellions from Watts to Detroit to Newark that put the fear of God in mainstream America and made them realize that if they didn’t offer at least tokenistic measures, they would have to deal with a full-blown revolution on their hands.
The broader lesson that applies to contemporary times is this: No oppressor class ever sincerely gives up power or privilege willingly. It must be taken from them.
That’s true in terms of media representation. That’s true in terms of civil rights.
As Frederick Douglass once said: Power concedes nothing without a struggle. It never did. And it never will.
“The concept of nonviolence is a false ideal. It presupposes the existence of compassion and a sense of justice on the part of one’s adversary. When this adversary has everything to lose and nothing to gain by exercising justice and compassion, his reaction can only be negative.”
-George Jackson
I also apply this to AF and why nothing has ever been doing about this issue. You see, the plain and simple truth is that it’s the AF that refuses to fix it. Why would they? The reason why this coupling is so rife is because they have a fetish for each other! Addressing this problem would simply remove their ability to act on it. As far as they’re concerned, there is no problem.
Many AMs already know AF don’t have their back and it’s remarkably dangerous that AF could be so irresponsible to be asleep at the wheel.
To AFs, you can’t build a community if you treat everyone “fairly.” You must have a bias towards your own in order to create one. At the present time, it seems that AM are pressuring AF to have a preference towards AM. That’s the incorrect route. It already shows that you are not born with this innate preference and that speaks volumes about your views towards AMs.
That’s good though. Personally, I want to know where I stand in the grand scheme of things so I can move on. I want to know I am on my own so I don’t have to wait on someone else’s shoddy work.
King,
Sorry, I should have said that by “filmmaker” I was including those who make short films for the web. I think quality has to be good. When you’re fighting the tide, it’s possible to make things worse or to offend people by wasting their time. That’s how I felt when I watch some of these viral vids.
Let’s think about this though. If we write something good, we could make it work.
Simon,
Anna will watch it for John Cho’s hottie character, so maybe Asian men should watch it for the Japanese actress’s hottie character. Haha.
Hey, maybe if we write the studio, they’ll change stuff up. After all, there was the game changer. I heard DDK was able to change Lost–they almost put Yunjin with Michael. Maybe the “game changer” can change the game for us Asian men. Woohoo!
Etain,
In the very, very near future, I’m going to post up that Julia Oh piece and invite comments. I think Asian women should have a stake in this, even those who are not married to Asian men.
Larry,
” put the fear of God in mainstream America “..
lol a way with words, very chiao…..
Hi Simon Tsui
Just read the article you posted at Ricest.com, it was very analytical and perceptive. Are you familiar with critical semiotics?
I have a proposition I’d ike to share with you, if you leave a contact, I’d be happy to send you an email!
Hahaha, you DO know Japanese men well =P
Just thought I’d chime in about etain’s points. I believe it’s a misconception to compare our current situation to the Civil Rights movement. The racism we experience today is not quite the same as the racism in the ’60s. What existed back then was a more overt form of racism, a physical separation of the races reinforced through laws and violence. Against such segregation, a unity of the races was a very effective strategy. The image of blacks and whites marching together was a direct protest of the forces that sought to keep them apart.
Fast forward to modern times, much of that violent racism has disappeared and replaced by a more covert method that, instead of keeping us apart, tries to weaken us by integrating and absorbing us into various parts of the dominant white culture. This divide and conquer method entices us with bits of white privilege and set us against each other, diluting our communities and making us weak. This results in many sellouts and those who actually believe that racism no longer exists. The whole IR thing is just a strategy of creating mistrust in each other so we can’t unite.
Racism is now a constant bombardment of white propaganda through the media and educational institutions to get minorities to voluntarily abandon their families and submit to the white hegemony. Against such methods, the best strategy is to form a united front with each other and take a stance within our communities. Racism has evolved and our strategies have to change too. That is why it’s counterproductive to rely heavily on whites, when they’re already opening their arms to absorb us into their mainstream. Asian women dating white isn’t exactly the act of defiance of the black and white pairings during the Civil Rights era. Asian women aren’t forced by law to not date out. They don’t get hanged from lamp posts for being with white men. To make that comparison is naive at best, dishonest at worst.
So yes, I do agree with uRB4N (and I’m gonna have to wash that down with a strong drink) that Asian women (and men) HAVE to have a strong preference for each other. Strong communities must be built on strong foundations, and for that we MUST have unity. Otherwise, we’ll just end up fighting each other in constant circles. What strength will we have left to fight entire institutions of power?
I’ve spoken and argued in length about Asian female/white male relationships, on and off the web. It is a pet peeve of mine. I’ve read the comments but I don’t want to take part in it. ; (
@anna123: I had to look up what semiotics meant, lol. ( writeme at simontsui.net )
I, for one, have always had trouble understanding what it is that uRB4N is calling for. His frustration, I get, but what he wants to do about it, I don’t.
uRB4N, in regard to Asian girls who only date white guys, what do you want them to do:
1) Change what it is that they desire?
2) Change their behavior in spite of what they desire?
This part of your argument has never been clear to me, even going back to the 44s.
Here we go again more White males and Asian girls bashing. First of all, this is just a TV show. Second, in today world, Asian female s and white guys are the norm. So why make a fuss over it. And I do object when you use “whitey” in your blogs.
Simon Tsui and King, I’m glad you guys are own my side. Great! I’m glad many Asian guys don’t care about this subject. Only a tiny minority do. The vast number of Asian guys, don’t give a damn.
But I’m not on your side, Sieg.
“Asian females and white guys are the norm.”
The norm? That doesn’t strike you as strange? Shouldn’t Asian guys and Asian girls be “the norm?”Wouldn’t you expect that as a general rule of thumb?
I don’t say that EVERY mixed couple is committing race treason, but I do acknowledge the damaging effects of the disparity on Asian men. My only frustration is what is to be done about it?
Haha…I was about to say the same thing. Sieg, I don’t think ANYONE here is on your side. Not King, not Simon. No one.
King,
There is a chance I could be making a video. Not on this topic, unfortunately, but something similar. I’ll keep everyone updated on the front page if we do it.
Seigfried, I am on your side. Do you have a pic or some bio information on some Asian fetish website about yourself that you can provide so I can pass along to some beautiful Asian ladies who want to meet a normal, decent, smart white guy?
Haha…Sieg, send him a pic fast. You’ve got a real opportunity to make a friend. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by!
Siegfried, not on your side. Nope.
Oops, forgot about this one
@Leon, I’m not saying that our current situation is exactly like the Civil Rights Movement. All I’m saying is that there is a potential lesson to be learned from history.
Regardless of the reasons, we both seem to agree that the support of whites in the Civil Rights Movement was a factor in its success. I’m going to reiterate my point that if whites had not joined in the Civil Rights Movement at all, either because they weren’t scared enough or just didn’t want to get out of bed, I don’t believe the Civil Rights Movement as a whole would have been as successful.
The basic premise I’m throwing out there for feedback is that if a movement wants to become influential, it somehow needs to garner support from the institutions/agents that it is protesting. Whether this is accomplished by convincing those dominant institutions that they have a stake in the movement, scaring the shit out of them, or just asking nicely, is another question altogether.
By extrapolation, the dominant institution we’re targeting here is the emasculation of Asian males, and the primary agents of action seem to be white males and Asian females. That means, if we follow this idea to the end, that those are the people who eventually need to be on our side. Yes, yes, I realize that they have no ostensible reason to be on our side, since the dominant institution puts them in a position of advantage. However, the same could have been said about whites during the Civil Rights Movement. In addition, as illustrated by the Asian blogosphere, not EVERY white male or Asian female steps on our nuts. There were Asian women on the Fighting 44s who fully understood and advocated for this cause, and I’m sure somewhere out there are white guys who also support us, even if they can’t empathize with us.
King: I do acknowledge the damaging effects of the disparity on Asian men. My only frustration is what is to be done about it?
having more asian men date interracially is one direct way to reduce the disparity at the same time boosting confidence, (as sick as it is to boost male confidence by dating another race, which implies inferiority); then again asian men are currently in a very inferior position
having more asian men date out is obviously not a perfect solution, but i seriously can not think of a better one, asian men can not eternally jacking off waiting for asian women to suddenly gain racial self esteem.
why don’t you offer some suggestions?
“having more asian men date interracially is one direct way to reduce the disparity at the same time boosting confidence, (as sick as it is to boost male confidence by dating another race, which implies inferiority); then again asian men are currently in a very inferior position.”
I’m glad that you so clearly see this issue. Would you boost your confidence by admitting and accepting your own inferiority? I hope not.
“why don’t you offer some suggestions?”
I don’t pretend to have the answer asianguy, but if all you want are suggestions:
1) Judge Asian women based on their individual actions, not in mass, based on their gender. Stop using the term, “Asian women” as if it actually applies to every Asian woman. (Asian women who “get it” are your greatest ally)
2) Take small but significant steps. Get the word out, and highlight the injustices however you can. Don’t waste your time waiting for some glorious and violent revolution that is never going to really happen.
3) Etain is right—make alliances, but begin with other minority groups who already understand what it’s like to be screwed by the majority system.
4) Date women of other races, but based of love, not politics.
5) Believe in yourself and believe in your culture. To thine own self be true.
@ King – nice post, absolutely agree about being true to one’s self. Number 2 is a good observation. I’d add in not to get one’s hopes or expectations too high that there will be a huge shift in a collective consciousness. I’ve a passing interest in Native American culture and where they are today, but look at how much shit they have to endure. They neither have the numbers to effectively threaten the institutions that continue to stereotype them nor the hearts and minds of the mainstream populace. Yet, they still fight the good fight—and it’s be ongoing since AIM and Wounded Knee in the ’70′s.
Number 4 is important too—don’t mess with someone’s head just because of your identity politics. Date or get into a relationship because you genuinely feel something for that person, not because you have something to prove. Love doesn’t only come in the form of an Asian woman; it’s great if you find it, if not, take love as it comes and with whomever you feel something for.
@ asianguy – you mentioned inferiority. just remember that just because we are PERCEIVED as inferior by some doesn’t mean we are. reject that label. Implied inferiority or being placed in an inferior status is a label or status has been placed upon us through the media and negative images that are constantly bombarding the mainstream populace. WE ‘ve got nothing to do with that because we haven’t done a damn thing to be associated with that word. Quite honestly, the word “inferior” doesn’t even enter my mind at all. i don’t EVER feel I’m inferior to anyone. Be who you are and people will see your good qualities. If they don’t and they want to relegate you to some stereotype, then fuck ‘em. Move on, we’re not responsible for their education (or lack thereof).
Asianguy: as sick as it is to boost male confidence by dating another race, which implies inferiority); then again asian men are currently in a very inferior position.”
King: I’m glad that you so clearly see this issue. Would you boost your confidence by admitting and accepting your own inferiority? I hope not.
i would never believe that asian men are inferior, it’s our CURRENT STATUS within american society that is inferior.
however, to argue the flip side, when asian guys are dating interracially it can be argued that we are “giving the white male patriarchy the middle finger”, cause as men we’re seen as the dominant sex and taking their property (white women). i know for a fact white boys are like “WTF?” when they see a good looking white woman with an asian dude.
i do agree that no healthy relationship can come from trying to “get back at asian women or white men”. that said, dating out serves a triple purpose for asian men.
1. it improves our status and image, it says that asian men are on a level playing field with white men as evidenced by us dating and marrying your women.
2. from a numerical standpoint, expanding your dating pool is smart as you are much more likely to find a high quality and compatible woman if u don’t limit yourself to only 5% of the nationwide population.
3. asian men who date out are lowering the “price of asian women” as right now i think they are generally as a group very overpriced. i see a lot of entitlement from asian women and inconsideration towards asian men. Sooner or later, i guarantee as we see more and more high quality asian men date out; we’ll see more asian women think “WTF? i got to rethink my non-preference for asian men”.
I’ve actually been trying to start a guerilla movement of persuading and influencing all the high quality asian guys around me to date out and hit up non asian women. I’ve also been trying to help out the less experienced asian men with their “game”. Prior to my influence, my asian guy friends would just laugh at an asian nerd and see it as less competition for themselves, now they realize all Asian men are in this together and need to help each other out including the less fortunate.
asianguy, your basic thesis is this:
“If we are seen dating White people, it will give us a higher value.”
Do you realize how lost you are in the very system to which you profess to be giving the middle finger? As long as you truly care what value White society places upon you, you are a slave to it.
Outdating for revenge is outdated. The cure to the anglophile disease does not come in a white bottle. The more that you see making love to White society as the answer to your troubles, the less value you will be able to see in your own culture. It’s inevitable.
Did you not read what mojo said? Can you see the truth in his words?
” just remember that just because we are PERCEIVED as inferior by some doesn’t mean we are. reject that label. Implied inferiority or being placed in an inferior status is a label or status has been placed upon us through the media and negative images that are constantly bombarding the mainstream populace. WE ‘ve got nothing to do with that because we haven’t done a damn thing to be associated with that word. Quite honestly, the word “inferior” doesn’t even enter my mind at all. i don’t EVER feel I’m inferior to anyone. Be who you are and people will see your good qualities.”
King, I think you have to note the difference between “how things work realistically” and “how things should work.”
Yes, I agree with you, urB4N.
I just object to Asian guys feeling that they somehow have to employ “BETA” strategies, just because their culture is different from that of the mainstream. Difference does not imply inferiority, I vehemently reject this notion.
I had a little more time to respond today.
dating out serves a triple purpose for asian men.
1. it improves our status and image, it says that asian men are on a level playing field with white men as evidenced by us dating and marrying your women.
But if you really think about it, you are also advocating that both Asian women and men would all rather date White people more than anybody else, further proving the point that the White race is superior to you. You are buying stock in the old system of racial hierarchy and investing heavily in the idea that association with White women makes you much more valuable than you would be as a single and lowly Asian.
2. from a numerical standpoint, expanding your dating pool is smart as you are much more likely to find a high quality and compatible woman if u don’t limit yourself to only 5% of the nationwide population.
This is true, but in reality, you are really only talking about dating White women. Doesn’t that severely limit your dating pool as well? Why not date everybody?
3. asian men who date out are lowering the “price of asian women” as right now i think they are generally as a group very overpriced. i see a lot of entitlement from asian women and inconsideration towards asian men. Sooner or later, i guarantee as we see more and more high quality asian men date out; we’ll see more asian women think “WTF? i got to rethink my non-preference for asian men”.
What do you care what the price of Asian women is anyway if you want to date White women? How about the “price of White women,” you don’t seem to be bothered by that price tag… why is that? And again, notice that your strategy is for Asian women to reevaluate the worth of Asian men based on their romantic associations with White women. They will look at you and say, “Hey, if a White girl will date him, maybe I should too. Do you yet see how patently whitewashed your approach to the disparity really is?
Has anyone been watching FlashForward?
It’s ironic that we’ve been talking about infidelity with Tiger and male cuckolds. I’m generally against infidelity, but in terms of the show, I’m cheering for the British dude to get with Joseph Fiennes’s character’s wife. Joseph Fiennes’s character just ain’t working for me.
To contribute my 2 cents to the whole outdating: There are no politics involved in falling in love. Anyone should date whoever they want, but if they choose to stick to or reject one race, that’s prejudice on their part.
@jaehwan I’ve been watching FlashForward and I openly hate both “Lloyd Simcoe” and Olivia Benford.
Olivia is thinking of her flash forward as her destiny to sleep with another man that she now finds attractive. She also uses Mark Benford’s Flash forward as an excuse to justify sleeping with Simcoe because Mark was “unfaithful to her” in the future. She’s not only allowing the future to happen, but she wants her flash forward to come true. It’s no wonder that Mark is drinking!
Lloyd Simcoe is half the man that Mark Benford is. In that last episode, he threw his colleagues under the bus with him. In the future, he’s going to be sleeping with another man’s wife! Why should we have respect for him?
Simon,
Simcoe loves his kid and risked his life for his kid. That deserves respect. He threw his colleague under the bus because he had to clear his conscience.
I like Olivia as a character. She’s successful, intelligent, and strong willed. What I don’t like is her husband’s mopey face. So either he’s gotta change his face, or she’s gotta change her husband!
(Note: I wouldn’t be talking like this if this were a real story. But since it’s fiction and anything can happen, I hope that anything happens!)
“What I don’t like is her husband’s mopey face. So either he’s gotta change his face, or she’s gotta change her husband!”
That’s not a “mopey face.” That’s great acting!
That is some awesome, awesome acting. I really did think he was mopey! Maybe he can act the mopiness away.
I don’t recall seeing Simcoe risk his life for his kid. And saving his own kid doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s going to sleep with a married woman.
Give Joseph Fiennes a chance. He’s done great acting for the movie Enemy at the Gates, and I absolutely hated his character then. Remember what they say, don’t judge a book by its cover!
He went back to the hospital, despite the fact that everyone was looking for him. And then he spoke out against those bad guys who kidnapped him. He’s going to sleep with a married woman, but that’s partly because Mopey’s not doing it for her. (Keep in mind again that this is entertainment, so they can do bad things to entertain us.)
“He’s done great acting for the movie Enemy at the Gates…”
I read this too quickly and thought you said Emmy at the Gates. I was like, “What? An Emmy for a mopey performance?”
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