Posterity and Asian Americans

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I’ve been meaning to post this for a while now.  Thanks to everyone who is still coming here, even though I post less frequently.  If it gets annoying with the slow, disconnected entries, feel free to add me to your RSS reader.  And don’t worry, I will eventually be back full swing with the fighting dialogue.

David Brooks had an excellent article last week: The Power of Posterity.  In the Op-Ed, he waxes poetic about a hypothetical question brought up on the blog Marginal Revolution, which is: “What would happen if a freak solar event sterilized the people on the half of the earth that happened to be facing the sun?“  (The original post mentioned that the solar flare sterilizes everything–animals too–but I think Brooks’s interpretation is much more interesting.)  Brooks talks about possible ramifications, eventually coming to the conclusion that society progresses for posterity, and that “when a society doesn’t reproduce there is nothing left to contribute to.”  Even with immigration, Brooks concedes, a society is hopeless without children.  Brooks ends with the acknowledgment that our unborn children guide our actions, even though they have yet to exist.  It reminded me a bit of that American Indian saying that we don’t inherit the land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.

The minute I read Brooks’s column, I immediately started thinking about Asian American society.  The irony of Brooks’s post is that he focuses heavily on what theoretically would happen with a sterilized people, when in fact there exists a real life example right before his eyes–Asian Americans. The stereotypes of emasculation ring true for us, and many of us, as the situation exists right now, might not last more than a generation or two.  If you’re an Asian American male, you’re likely to be single and childless; if you’re an Asian American female, you’re unlikely to marry anything other than a White male.  In either case, over generations, the general trend is Whiteness.

Now before anyone jumps all over me, let me put things in perspective.  I won’t love my great-grandchildren any less if they’re White.  If I have a blonde haired, blue eyed great-grandchild, I will cherish their accomplishments as much as if my grandchild were physically Asian.  That being said, we’re not talking about me; we’re talking about all of Asian American society.  And when there exists such a strong trend towards becoming and admiring and looking like the majority, there’s a problem that extends beyond just the usual complaints about eyelid surgery and suicide rates.

The fact is that as an emasculated group, we are the very sterilized group that Brooks is trying to imagine.  We are the eunuchs of society, and almost about half of what Brooks postulates is already true of us.  Because I live it, I know it.

1. Religion: Brooks says that the religious world would be shattered by sterilization.  He may be correct in the case of some religions, but if we’re talking about fundamentalist Christianity, he’s dead wrong.  When fundies face trials and tribulations, they cling even harder to their religion, and because Asian Americans have been emasculated, we’re among the hardest clingers.  I don’t have a scientific study to prove this, but I think the story can be summed up in one sentence: the less sex you’re getting, the more likely you are to be a fundamentalist thumper.

2. “Anything worth doing is the work of generations–ending racism, promoting freedom or building a nation.” I think Brooks is correct on this account.  Why do we see so few Asian Americans involved in politics?  In civil rights?  It’s because we don’t see people who look like us in the future of this country.  Seriously, if you talk to the most entrepreneurial Asian Americans, they will almost ALWAYS talk about going back to China where they are respected.  Those who set their roots here often tend to be less active, probably because they don’t see a future in the path they’ve chosen.  Most expect to be phased out.

And regarding Brooks’s comment about “hunger for immortal fame,” who among Asian people is going to hunger for fame from rice chasahs of the future?

3. “If people knew that their nation, group and family were doomed to perish…they wouldn’t concern themselves with the preservation of the environment.  They wouldn’t save or invest.”

When people are afraid, they hold onto their dollars and investments because they are afraid to move.  So I don’t think the hypothetical eunuchs would spend freely on themselves, and likewise, Asian Americans are among the most conservative spenders out there.

However, Brooks is correct when it comes to charity and building institutions for the future.  If you don’t see a future, you don’t invest in it.  Asian Americans are the least likely to vote, give money to Asian American charities, etc.

4. Immigration: This is a game theory question.  If people knew that the other half of the world was dying out, they would move here, unless there were legal restrictions preventing them from doing so.  After all, if there’s already a strong infrastructure and no one to inherit it, why wouldn’t anyone want to inherit it?

For Asian Americans, as many have noted before, immigration is currently the only way we survive as a minority group.  Cut off immigration, and within a few generations, we’d be a society of Lisa Sees writing orientalist fantasies about our grandfathers.  Which should scare every single Asian American living in the United States today–as the Chinese economy surpasses the American economy and the financial incentives of immigration become less attractive, we could be in trouble as a community.

I know there are a bunch of Kingstonians and House Asians waiting to jump on me in order to accuse me of being some kind of nativist, but the numbers are clearly in my favor here.  In one study, an Asian American male needed to make $24k more than a White male to be viewed as equally attractive.  If that’s not a disadvantage, then I don’t know what is.  We already know about the eyelid surgery.  The fact is that this trend towards Whiteness creates some very real problems in Asian American culture itself, one in which Brooks might say that there is no “disciplining power of our posterity.”

For those reading this, I want you all to date and marry whomever you want to date, for whatever reason you see fit.  Love should know no bounds.  Follow the path you need to take.  But think about posterity and the hopelessness that pervades our culture, and realize that there is an explanation that addresses why this hopelessness exists.  If you’re a lonely Asian American bachelor, don’t just take a PUA class and let your ego get to your head.  PUAs rarely marry or set a foundation for life because they don’t think about anything other than themselves.  Realize that there is a lot more out there that we have to encourage Asian Americans to do.  If you’re an Asian American female married to a White guy, love that White guy with all your heart, but continue to support your Asian American brothers and sisters in finding each other.  We need to fix this community in order to forge a bond between ourselves and a posterity that will understand us and promote resistance against racial stratification rather than acquiescence.  Live strong.

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9 Responses to Posterity and Asian Americans

  1. Lingyai says:

    “When fundies face trials and tribulations, they cling even harder to their religion, and because Asian Americans have been emasculated, we’re among the hardest clingers. I don’t have a scientific study to prove this, but I think the story can be summed up in one sentence: the less sex you’re getting, the more likely you are to be a fundamentalist thumper.”

    Generally these people have more kids than the average urban dweller of whatever race. Maybe less sexual partners but more kids.

  2. uRB4N says:

    Good luck with that.

    It’s impossible to fix a problem unless you acknowledge it first which one has yet to do.

    Whoops.

    Also, I disagree with the PUA comment. I fully support the mentality of “the ends justify the means.”

  3. anna123 says:

    Great post

    “…For Asian Americans, as many have noted before, immigration is currently the only way we survive as a minority group. Cut off immigration, and within a few generations, we’d be a society of Lisa Sees writing orientalist fantasies about our grandfathers…”

    I think for AZNS cultural assimilation is inevitable, but racial/ethnic assimilation is not.

    If AZNS concentrate on financial and career success then use the capital earned to support expressions of AZN arts and culture, then this problem can be addressed…

    Supporting culture=supporting ideology, AZN role models, heroes, hopes and dreams, and ultimately the empowerment of AZN communities in the “West”…

  4. jaehwan says:

    Anna,

    Thanks! I agree with what you say, especially the part about those who concentrate on financial success.

    Lingyai,

    I probably should’ve modified my statement–I was thinking about young fundies. Married fundies get it on.

    URB4N:

    I really need to see what you’re like when I head to the East Coast…

    “Ends justifies the means?” You mean being like the PUAs in their early 30′s bragging about how they get women to buy them drinks? That’s not my kind of ending. I don’t think it’s yours either. Is it?

    Acknowledge the problem? Anna says that financially successful people need to support the arts and that the IR issue could be addressed through their actions. Maybe we should acknowledge that some of these guys on Wall Street aren’t giving the help they should be giving, or maybe they aren’t looking for beneficiaries who are doing the right thing. This isn’t saying that they should be making movies; it’s saying that they aren’t looking for the right people or groups to receive their contributions.

    I also acknowledge that you want to put the blame on Asian women, and I think that that may be justified for some women, such as Ms. Kingston or Ms. Tan. But is it really about blame? Wouldn’t we all be happy if the problem just went away?

    Think sales, man. Concentrate and build up the positive. There are 101 reasons not to buy that stock, but the one reason to buy it may outweigh the others.

  5. Alpha Asian says:

    interesting scenario! If a solar flare sterilized everything on the Western hemisphere, what would happen?

    in a sense it may already happening. I read the book “The Next 100 Years” by George Friedman, and it asserts that the population is on the decline worldwide, and that countries will competing for immigrants to sustain their economies.

    If immigration from Asia to the US were to stop, then would the Asian American disappear? Big WoWo’s right. The Asian American would disappear. We only need to look at the Japanese American community for a real life example. That community has amalgamated with the white community and Chinese American community, and there is no significant influx of Japanese immigrants to sustain it.

    Now are there droves of loser Asian dudes who can’t hook up and get laid? I doubt it. Whether you call it the sex drive or the desire to true love, that drive is damn strong. Everybody finds somebody.

    If anything, Asian men will contribute just as much to the assimilation of the Asian American community, because they will outmarry too.

  6. kobe says:

    everyone asian outside of asia will become a casualty of some war on the social sphere, and now even asians in asia are smoking all they can. who should win this?
    smoking asians, didnt something like that happen 150 years ago?

  7. jaehwan says:

    I should check out that book, Alpha. By the way, tangentially related to this topic (but related to your blog, which focuses on motivation and becoming successful), I’ve been checking out coaching/motivation materials recently. Maogirl once said that building confidence is a good start. I believe it. I’m wondering if it would work to come up with some great thing to be happy about on a large scale. haha…maybe that’s what you’re already doing.

    By the way, we should podcast again after you have your child. I realize how much the focus changes with children (maybe this is related to the blog post), and I’d like to see how it affects your own psychology and goals.

  8. Alpha Asian says:

    A podcast after my baby’s born will be great. However, I’ll probably rename my blog “Tired Zombie Rice Daddy.”

    Yeah, confidence is the key to success in a lot of things. Question is: how do you build it?

    1) Get good parenting (the ultimate life coaches)
    2) Get a lot of life experiences
    3) Get a good attitude that can interpret those life experiences

    Asian parents are notorious for crapping on their kids egos and we all developed low self esteem as a result. So the only way to overcome that is to develop a lot of life experiences and teach yourself to be more confident and positive. Thinking positive requires effort at first, but it is simply changing your mental frame of reference.

    That’s what PUA’s do to a certain extent, which is to artificially put the trainee through experiences in a short period of time and to rewire his way of thinking about those experiences. It’s a false sense of confidence, however, because the experiences are rather superficial.

  9. jaehwan says:

    Hey Alpha,

    You definitely should join Rice Daddies once your baby comes! You can teach the daddies how to raise your baby with confidence.

    Assuming that we don’t get bogged down with other news stories, I think I’m going to declare an “Alpha” week, where I just post stuff on confidence, coaching, and growing. Let me see what I can find. If so, I can announce later.

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