Well, if it makes you feel better, once you post the podcast, I’ll probably be up late listening to it…

B.

I saw you just posted a comment here. For you, it’s 10pm. For me, it’s 1:00am. You must be wondering what the hell I’m doing up this late writing comments on some blog message board. The answer: I’m uploading the podcast

-William

I think that was the best PUA/non-PUA podcast yet! Looking forward to you posting it. Maybe it can shed some light on the criticisms in both directions. I think it’ll really get the conversation going.

Thanks for your feedback and support. I really appreciate it.

I agree with you that the vast majority of my critics have not provided any concrete evidence of things that would allow us to modify the ABCs of Attraction curriculum. Still, I am actively reaching out to individuals such as Byron in order to continue to move the dialogue forward, and work towards eradicating the aspects of the ABCs of Attraction curriculum that are “bad.” The very first positive step forward that I was able to take, after brainstorming with the members of the fighting 44′s, was to add an ethics module as a standard part of the ABCs of Attraction bootcamp. So I can’t say that the criticism I’ve received has been useless. At a minimum, that is one step forward, and I look forward to making even more positive changes.

Regarding the threesomes and orgies, I don’t think that anyone thinks that there’s anything wrong with participating in those sexual acts in a consensual way, but many people have a problem with guys writing about those escapades in a way that reveals other people’s identity. Still, I’m not totally convinced that people’s identities are really being revealed in the vast majority of the field reports I have seen on the ABCs of Attraction website, but I will be looking into this further with Byron and I will be addressing this subject, and more, on the betterasianman.com blog in the upcoming weeks.

-William

I’m glad that you are now at least being honest about saying that what you’ve written here is merely an opinion.

However, if you would like to assist us in determining what exactly is wrong with the ABCs of Attraction curriculum (or if we should try to eradicate it entirely from existence), this would be a good time to share those specific observations. That’s really the only way to move this dialogue forward. Otherwise, all we’re doing is making baseless criticism that serves to help no one.

-William

PS- Aside from all of this, Jin, it’s really great to hear from you, even if it is through the veneer of an anonymous nickname, “Jin.” I miss you.

You can’t please everyone. There will be haters… In my view, continue what you’re doing and don’t ever try to please everyone.

Let the haters state their opinion and move on. They have nothing to offer beside baseless criticism.

I applaud you for helping other asian men to be successful with women. As far as APB website boasting threesomes, orgy, etc… There’s nothing wrong with having threesome or orgy, as long as it’s consensual, what’s the problem? Asian men should not have orgy? That’s so fucking stupid.

No one said that I was pretending to know anything. Nor have I NOT been honest about my expressions and e-pinion nor do I need to clarify how I know what I know. Who’s to say I didn’t take the bootcamp? Nor whether I know you? I don’t have to explain. These are my opinions and thoughts on the matter and we are all entitled to opinions. No one here is either right or wrong. I am simply saying that I disagree with certain parts of the PUA community — why get so defensive? You are entitled to your opinions as well, and if you think it has helped you, then good for you. I never said I had any scientific proof of the negative effects — these are my observations of ppl I know. So again, my opinion is MY opinion — long term negative affects and short term “gain” —– we could go on and on and I’m sure you can keep getting defensive and all, but that’s not my goal – I’m simply here to express MY thoughts against the “seduction community” as contrived as I think it it.

The conversation we had last night on the “emergency edition” of the Better Asian Man podcast was VERY helpful for me. I think that the biggest take-away for me is that I better understand why you want me to articulate on my blog precisely why I think I’m a fundamentally different person from JT and also Johnny Wolf.

Also, when I woke up this morning, my first thought was, “betterasianman.com is not an activist website, it’s a website dedicated to the empowerment of the Asian American man.” This is a thought that I am currently still thinking about.

-William

You may know people who know me and know people who know other people who are PUA’s, but until you’ve taken the actual class, you’re really providing an opinion from a place of not really knowing the contents of what we teach. I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with that because you certainly are entitled to your opinion. But if you are to make your opinions from that starting point, at least be honest about it and don’t pretend that you actually know what we teach.

-William

I appreciate your candid feedback. You are one of the first people to step forward and give some honest opinions.

You said, “somewhere along the way, the things that got taught were ingrained and became twisted.”

What does this mean? Do you mean that I am twisted? How? Why?

You said, “And regarding “respecting women” – it involves chivalry — for which these things are not advocated in the bootcamps or evinced in blogs.”

You are 100% correct that “respecting women” is not evinced in any blog of any pickup artist that I know of. We do teach men to respect women; it’s one of the core principles. You may continue to believe that we don’t, and you’ll continue to be wrong.

You said, “On the SURFACE it seems good, yet somehow on a deeper level of those that I know, something inherently changed and negatively affected them.” You may be right here, but I have only seen positive changes and positive effects occur in my own life, and in the lives of my students. I have found fulfillment and romance that I’ve never before experienced in my life. Is such happiness a “negative affect?”

You said, “After all, immediate gratification and looks alteration can go so far and only creates temporary happiness.” By what means have you determined whether or not I am happy now, and whether my happiness is temporary?

You said, “The pick up community/seduction community has long term negative affects that I’ve seen and witnessed.” What are these long term negative effects? I would like to invite you to read the entries in the “One Asian American Man’s Life” blog category on my blog, and tell me if you really still believe that my life is worse now than it was before I took the bootcamp.

I’ve been through this with Byron many times before: it is easy to speak in generalities and say “this is bad” and “that is a negative influence,” but if you really want to have a dialogue that extends beyond mere shallow labelling and name-calling, then please provide some specific examples.

-William